Imagine you are walking down the street, and down a small alley, you see four dogs. It is obvious the dogs were once well-taken care of, but one by one, they were left to fend for themselves. They are skinny, dirty, and you can hear them whimpering. Feeling terrible for them, you decide to nip into the store adjacent to the alley and buy a few cans of dog food, figuring it’s the least you can do. The shopkeeper notices what you are doing, and asks if you plan on feeding the strays in the alley. He is concerned, because he has noticed that the dogs tend to get snappish when the restaurant that shares the alley begins cooking food for the dinner rush. You acknowledge his uneasiness, but take it in stride: after all, they’re hungry! It’s only natural that the smell of food gets them worked up!
You return to the alley and peer into the shadows. The dogs are still there, looking at you curiously. You pop one can of food open, walk a ways down the alley, and set the can on the ground. They dogs approach warily, but once they catch the scent, there is a scrum around the can, and they begin to fight over its contents. Panicking for their safety, you quickly open three more cans and slide them toward the fray; in your haste, you unknowingly spill a bit on your hands and clothing.
You stay and watch until all of the cans of food have been consumed. By this time, you’re feeling pretty good; but as you turn to leave, you feel a wet nose on the palm of your hand. One of the dogs is at your side, inspecting a bit of dog food stuck to the cuff of your shirt. All of a sudden, the other three dogs are trotting toward you to check on the first. You realize that the dogs have smelled the food you spilled on yourself, and they think that you have more. You move quickly toward the street, but the first dog catches your cuff in his teeth, causing you to stumble. Meanwhile, the other three dogs have taken hold of the loose edges of your clothing, and are beginning to get worked up. As the growls turn to yelps, you shout for help and try to pull away, but the pack is convinced that you have more food, and will not relent. Your shouts become screams as you realize that the sticky wetness on your hand is blood; the very dogs you were trying to save have turned on you. Just when you believe all is lost, the shopkeeper sprints into the alley with a small rifle. Taking aim, he shoots one…two…three of the dogs. The fourth turns tail and escapes down the alley and out of sight.As the shopkeeper helps you to your feet and helps you, broken and bloodied, out of the alley, he asks, “Why didn’t you heed my warning?” Rather than answering, you turn and look back down the alley. The fourth dog has emerged from behind a dumpster, growling a warning as he watches you leave.

After the daring rescue of Captain Phillips on Easter Sunday, many people have come forward with suggestions as to what should be done to combat the growing threats of piracy and insurgency in the Horn of Africa. I just sort of laughed at the more inane ones; however, the rational-sounding ones, coming from all levels of government as well as well-respected pundits, have given me pause. The more I see, the more I am convinced that (oh…arbitrarily high number) 90% of the people out there influencing public opinion on policy in the Horn have very little idea of what is actually going on over there. This in itself is dangerous, considering the staggering effect public opinion has in the current administration. What I have done here is attempt to explain why, up until now, there has been little to no success in gaining some modicum of control over the situation in Somalia. What’s going on over there goes beyond pirates, general political instability, or lack of food and medicine. A deadly combination of clan conflict, border disputes with its African neighbors, and the influence of Islamic extremism began contributing to the devolution of Somalia since well before most Americans knew where exactly they could find the Horn of Africa.
The place we call “Somalia” began as the Arab sultanate of Adel. (Bear with me…the boring history part is already almost over!) The area became populated by way of a mass immigration from the area we now know as Yemen; this, in time, formed the precursor to the clan system we see defining the sociopolitical dynamic of Somalia. In the 1800’s, small chunks of Somalia were divided up amongst European and African nations, instituting a system of colonial rule. Slaves were taken from neighboring countries into Somalia, thus further propagating cultural separation within a common “home” country. What’s important to remember about Somalia is that it hasn’t existed in a true state of peace since…ever, really. Since the dissolution of the sultanate in the 1500’s, Somalia has existed in pieces, either by way of colonialism or because of clans’ territorial borders. This reality becomes critical when trying to understand the internal strife we associate with life in Somalia.
What I’ll call “mainstream” terror in Somalia dates back to the late ‘70’s, when the PFLP (the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) took hostage a Lufthansa jetliner. This first, seemingly isolated incident, occurred in the midst of social disorder and civil war; it was followed by almost two decades of confusion and chaos. In 1991, the usurper Siad Barre (a Marxist dictator who seized power in Somalia in 1969 and nationalized almost every aspect of the economy) was ousted by rebels in Mogadishu, and (quite literally) 27 warring factions (essentially, clans led by warlords) attempted to seize control of the country. The downfall of the Barre regime marked the demise of the last legitimate, internationally recognized Somali government. 1992 brought troops to Somalia as part of a United States-sponsored multinational force, but these efforts for the most part ended in chaos and death, and forced trade embargos against Somalia. The latter months of 1993 were marred by the infamous “Black Hawk Down” incident and the pivotal Battle of Mogadishu, and a troop “surge” into the Horn of Africa. Toward the end of 1993, the United States gained intelligence that made it suspect an Islamic terrorist by the name of Osama Bin Laden was supplying rebel forces with anti-aircraft weaponry. It was also discovered that a man named Muhammed Atef, one of Bin Laden’s best lieutenants, had along with six other Al Qaida operatives set up training camps to help Somali tribes resist UN peacekeeping efforts in the region. From the time the last US soldier left Somalia in 1994, to the formation of the Transitional Government in 2000, Somalia existed in a state of sociopolitical devolution. In early 2002, the warlord Hussein Adid warned then-US President George W. Bush that there were terrorists sympathetic to Al Qaida hiding in Somalia, and that they had succeeded in infiltrating various factions of Somali industry. The United States initiated operations to help catch these terrorists, and the UN became involved.
Fast forward to 2005. We see refugees fleeing starvation and disease, and a new vogue in piracy and hijacking. Between June 2005 and April 2006, pirates ravaged the waters off the coast of Somalia, taking down ship after ship carrying food and other relief items, and collecting millions in ransom. The Islamic Courts came into play in 2006, engaging in peace talks with the Transitional government and pushing for complete Islamic rule in the region. 2006 brought a dramatic increase in active Islamic militias, and the government and people quietly crumbled as Islam took over the everyday life of the average Somali citizen. The terror organization Al Shabaab contributed to the chaos by smuggling enormous shipments of weapons (from Egypt, Iran, and Syria) through Eritrea, and passing them on to rebel militias in Somalia. It was a year of highly ineffective symbolic gestures, compromises, and capitulations on the side of the Transitional government.
In early 2007, the United States began an assault on Al Qaida contingents in southern Somalia, and the eternally useless UN Security Council authorized a six-month African Union peacekeeping mission in Somalia—the carnage was now official. In the midst of social struggle, disease, and starvation, piracy flourished, born from both the most basic human need to survive, and the wish of the Islamists to gain singlehanded control over Somalia. While piracy was not limited to Islamists, many of the attacks on foreign vessels were power plays by insurgents. Keep in mind that the Islamists have now effectively seized control of the remnants of the Transitional government by playing to the hearts and minds of a beleaguered people. In the eyes of the insurgency, any outside effort to relieve the pain of the Somali people was seen as a grasp for control, and as such, gifts of food, medicine and supplies were violently intercepted. The pirates seized the goods—along with a ransom ensuring the return of the vessel—and distributed them amongst compliant citizens. Those who resisted were left to starve, or made into examples for others. In this way, the Islamists not only gained control of the people, but also ensured a steady stream of income via the ransoms they were rarely denied.
The past two years have been filled with more of the same. Extremist groups like Al Shabaab have violently taken control of increasingly large areas of the country; pirates continue to savage the coast, baiting the UN and further encouraging the devolution of a country that has known neither peace nor prosperity for almost 500 years. In response to the terrorists’ pledge that the violence will not end until all foreign troops have pulled out of Somalia, the Ethiopian government has recalled their (considerable) forces. In February, a moderate Islamist named Omar Abdirashid Ali Sharmarke was named Prime Minister of Somalia; and this past weekend, the Somali parliament (acting out of Kenya—it’s too dangerous in Mogadishu) voted unanimously to adopt Shariah Law in hopes that common ground between the government and the Islamists might stifle the insurgency. However, Al Shabaab has instituted its own version of Shariah Law, and will certainly continue to do everything in its power to seize complete control of the country. Meanwhile, the United States is taking the tiny nation of Eritrea to task over their continued support of Al Qaida in Somalia. (Eritrea, however, could not care less about what we have to say about their less-than-savory political friendships.)
I’ve been a student of the Somali question for a long time, and I’m going to be honest: I have no good answer to the question, “what comes next?” (I don’t feel too bad about that, considering no one has a good answer to that question.) What I do know is this: any action taken in Somalia, whether by the military, or by a pointless contingent of UN buffoons (since we’re being honest), must come only after the careful, deliberate consideration of the big picture. It’s pointless to talk about piracy without talking about famine and disease; similarly, it is impossible to focus on the egregious human rights violations in the region without considering what the Islamic insurgency has done to reject the help of benevolent nations. Focusing solely on terrorism, or human rights violations, or piracy, will lead us through a course of events from which very few will emerge alive.
Now, here’s the part that I wish President Obama could read, because it’s the point of the diary and the most significant thing surrounding the conflict in the Horn. Ready? Okay.
There is absolutely, positively, no way to reach a hand-holding, diplomatic solution in Somalia. If you do indeed decide to skip down this rabbit hole, Sir, you will find yourself in a Hell that is beyond your imagination. You will not be able to talk, joke, hand-shake, chest-bump, or finger-wag your way out of it. Why? Because there is no one to negotiate with. Somalia is a failed state. The government is impotent at best, operating out of a few buildings in the Kenyan capitol. The Arab League is certainly corrupt, and will offer no viable solution. The African Union is a dead stick, and would not even exist without the money and manpower of other international organizations. Somalia is surrounded by nations and peoples hostile to the West; Al Shabaab and Al Qaida have made it abundantly clear that peace is quite out of the question unless they’re the ones calling the shots. And most importantly: not one person alive in Somalia has known a year of true peace—ever. Can you imagine trying to convince an exhausted, starving Somali man that you can help, if only he will help you fight back the Islamists?
This is much, much bigger than, “taking a look at a peaceable solution”, “sending in aid as a first step”, or “considering our options in the region.” And that fact, I fear, is the blazing, flashing neon sign on the side of the road that the Obama administration will willfully ignore, if they do indeed decide to bestow the fruits of their infinite wisdom and experience on the Horn of Africa.
EDIT: UPDATE!
I just got a hold of this link to AEI (h/t to Pilgrim) that addresses a whole new angle to specifically the culture war between the West and the Horn. The whole thing is great, but there’s a real gem at the bottom of Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s piece. She is originally from Somalia, and offers great insight into how people in Somalia view Americans, and Westerners in general:
What do al Qaeda operatives, Somali pirates, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s militia, Hugo Ch?vez’s rhetoric, and even the new Russian authoritarianism have in common? An analysis of their rhetoric quickly shows that they all see Americans and Westerners in general as cowardly…
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Great Job Amy!!...nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 11:19AM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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After reading that
Brian Simpson (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 11:23AM EST (link)my reaction is to stay the heck away from Somalia. Iraq and Afghanistan have been hard enough (and they had semi-stable governments). Somalia would be a mess.
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Amy Miller (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 11:30AM EST (link)…and 99% of my gut tells me that going into Somalia would be a huge, huge mistake. The 1% of me that wants to go in, guns and bombs and missiles blazing, is the 1% of me that has such a deep hatred for terrorists and what they stand for that I would make irrational decisions and recklessly endanger the lives of our troops. I haven’t the foggiest idea what our strategy would be, or how in the world we could even differentiate between enemy combatants and people who are just scared and tired and want it to end, no matter who ends up in charge.
It’s dogs in the alley all over again
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~Scalia, J.
Wow! 5^5^5^5^5!
azaeroprof (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 11:31AM EST (link)Yet another front-page-worthy diary! Too bad not 1 reporter in 1000 has even a tenth of the understanding of this situation that you report here. Great work.
Where is the outrage from the left?
Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 12:55PM EST (link)Obama the rogue cowboy ordering the execution of 3 Somalis.
Doesn’t he know that when we kill one, there are 10 more to take their place?
I thought he was going to restore our good name in the world?
Obama had 3 pirates executed with no due process! Pirates have now vowed revenge against the US. Where is Obama the great uniter?
where is our change? cept, the change he is leaving in our pockets.
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
you mean Obama shot 3 helpless puppies?
Beaglescout (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 1:18PM EST (link)OMG!
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
Next time you publically question Barack Obama...
Amy Miller (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 1:22PM EST (link)…the government will have these puppies…er…neutralized.
“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.
thank you Amy for adding Ayaan Hirsi Ali to this subject.
pilgrim (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 1:30PM EST (link)It is a sorry situation that our current government is either naive or plain stupid when it comes to understanding Somalis and their ilk. This idea that this part of the world is going to love us if we only apologize to them is a dangerous one that encourages them to believe we are cowardly in the feminine connotation of cowardice. Thinking us to be ‘girly-men’ cowards gives them the idea that we are going to be an easy prey for them.
Awesome job Amy!!
Susannah (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 1:37PM EST (link)Recommended.
Several things about Somalia I did not know
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 1:41PM EST (link)And the object lesson on the dogs is well taken – at least by people not as stupid as Obama.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
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This research is worthy of national attention
civil truth (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 4:16PM EST (link)This is the first cogent discussion of Somalia and its history that I have ever read. For the last four centuries of so, we have see tribal/clan based societies consolidating into nation states, very successfully in Europe and North American and East Asia (and Australia), less so in South America and parts of Africa, and rather tenouously at best in Central Asia, the Middle East, and other parts of Africa. However, despite the uneveness, the overall direction until recently has been towards consolidation.
What you diary here documents is that we see in Somalia is the first crack in that trend line, where a nation state has completely devolved into warring clans whose unification will be on the ancient model of empire entailing some balance between military might and negotiation among clan leaders. Whatever comes out of the current anarchy, it will represent a rejection of the nation state model in favor of the ancient governance model, the same that is behind the Caliphate.
In such a model, Western values such as democracy, self-governance, pluralism, etc. are utterly rejected.
That is, Somalia is the bow wave for the radical Islamists and their 9th century model of government, entailing a rejection of nation state. Afghanistan is a close second, very tenuously maintaining a veneer of a nation state, but rapidly devolving into clans, and Pakistan is dissolving too – with the radical Islamists ready to take charge.
Like you, I don’t have an immediate solution. But the first thing is to realize that we have an conflict between two civilizations, in which the entire set of beliefs and principles behind modern world government is being challenged.
Will Pax Americana go the way of the Pax Romana. We shall soon see, I suspect.
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Michael DeWeese (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 6:40PM EST (link)Is the next Somalia.
Brain Dead Republican
The more basic cause
johnminehan (Diary) Wednesday, April 29th at 11:18AM EST (link)for this is that the AU (then the OAU, I think) stating back in the 1960s decided that they were not going to re-draw colonial boundries that did not reflect tribal distributions. Somalia is far from the only place where these issues have boiled up (Rwanda comes to mind) but it has been the worst.
Now Somalia is a special case. In 1960, the former British and Italian Somalilands merged just prior to independence. As in Yugoslavia, where everyone gradually went from thinking of themselves as “South Slavs” to thinking of themselves as Serbs, Croats and Albanians, soon people started to think of themselves as Darod or Marahan and not Somali.
Since 1991, the former British Somaliland (now called “Somaliland”) has grown into a legitimate state but can’t be recognized due to AU issues with changing borders. So there are other answers than radical Islam.
Additionally, there are trends outside of the Dar al Islam (notably the rise of the EU since 1992) that indicate that some kind of Regional/Local polity may be replacing the traditional nation state.
There are other answers other than radical Islam?....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, April 29th at 12:15PM EST (link)So are you saying those pirates are NOT RESPONSIBLE for their own ACTIONS? REALLY? Islam or not or straight up THIEVES I want you to go back to your liberal fantasyland where no person anywhere is actually responsible for their own actions and its always someone else’s fault BECAUSE WE HERE and all Conservatives believe you will take responsiblity for your own actions or you will be a LIBERAL TOOL ie: LOSER….I really hate these JUSTIFICATION comments they are pure BULL!
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Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, April 29th at 12:17PM EST (link)Why are you an apologist for Radical Islam?
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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I didn't hear you assign a more basic cause for the piracy
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, April 29th at 12:37PM EST (link)Only that it’s “not radical Islam”
Pray tell, Plato. What then is the cause, according to you?
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
I'm fairly sure...
Amy Miller (Diary) Wednesday, April 29th at 1:12PM EST (link)…you just failed at crapping all over my and civil’s talking points. I believe I brought up the fact that there’s more to this than JUST extremism, etc. You just went more in-depth into my point that the AU hasn’t done anything to help the situation, then seasoned the soup by using words I didn’t use like “Daroud” and “British Somaliland” to make it sound like there is some abysmal hole in my logic.
Caught you. Fail.
“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.
Great info, Amy -- and great analysis
JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Wednesday, April 22nd at 5:56PM EST (link)What we in the West have such a hard time grasping is that there are places in the world where no one has any idea how we live nor much cares. They have no frame of reference for democracy, self-rule, the rule of law, diplomacy, or even peace — because they’ve never even seen it enough to dream of it.
A “let’s hold hands and sing Kumbayah” approach will make them despise us. Taking out a few pirates’ nests and flexing our muscles will unite them against us. Going in there with a serious display of firepower will result in massive loss of life and the condemnation of the “civilized world”, but might make them fear us enough to not screw with us. It is likely the only thing that would “work” — if you want to call it that — but it will never happen. We lack the national will to do it; and Obama will resign to become a fund raiser for Sarah Palin before he’d sign off on it.
As long as Somalias exist, there will be Al Qaidas. And this is reason Numero Uno why America can’t afford the likes of BHO.
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Amy Miller (Diary) Friday, April 24th at 12:32PM EST (link)“As long as Somalias exist, there will be Al Qaidas. And this is reason Numero Uno why America can’t afford the likes of BHO.”
Yes! It’s time to man up.
“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.
Outstanding.
Diogenes314 (Diary) Thursday, April 23rd at 6:01PM EST (link)Excellent piece. The ability to turn obscure provincial history into prose is admirable. The only things not mentioned are the fact the OBL explicitly cited the Clintonian abandonment of Somalia after the battle of Mogidishu as a catalyst to his war on the decrepit Americans, the extent to which that travesty was the result of idiotic rules of engagement (fortunatly history hasn’t repeated itself there yet) , and more significantly, the influence of Qat on the situation then and now.
As far as solutions, there is only one realistic one. Convince people to quit voting for Democrats. Or to just be honest and vote for Chamberlain’s Ghost. In the current situation, Hope and Change is More Of the Same.
Keep up the good work.
"solutions for America"==pitchforks!
Amy Miller (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 1:30PM EST (link)Thanks for the props
“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.
Great Job. I'd love to see how the Kos kids would receive this analysis
Next93 (Diary) Friday, April 24th at 9:55AM EST (link)I’d guess that a true liberal would probably start screaming “racist!” before finishing the first paragraph; any problem in Africa HAS to be the fault of the US (or, maybe European colonial powers, but not likely). Besides, Obama knows far more than any white person, or even any black person, could know about Africa, because his father (the one he never met) came from there, doncha know.
So, since we’re all going to be called names anyway…
We actually have a large Somali refugee population here in Minneapolis, and I have to say that I’m not impressed with what I’ve seen of Somali culture; taken as an aggregate, they’re a wholly unlikeable people; they simply refuse to accept the idea that the rules that apply to everyone else should apply to them, they don’t understand why they’re not allowed to do things here the way they’re done in Somalia (first hint – why did you have to leave Somalia in the first place?). They lie and cheat and when caught, they always have a reason why it’s someone elses fault (usually the person who called them on it). Any suggestion that they should try to assimilate into American culture is received with cries of “racism” and “imperialism”. I’m sure there are exceptions to this, but in general, this seems to be the “Somali way”.
I probably have more experience with Muslims than a majority of Americansw (having worked and studied with Muslims off and on since my student days in the 70s), and to some extent these traits seem to be unfortunate byproducts of Islamic culture. But even the other East African communities in the area (for some reason, we also have large Ethiopian and Eritrean communities) will have little to do with the Somalis – they won’t even play soccer with them anymore because the Somali teams are notorious cheats who spend more time arguing calls than actually playing.
On the other hand, the local media loves them; they’re the eternal victims playing to a media with an insatiable appetite for sob stories. They play the victim role to a “T” (one of the first things they established in the area was the Somali Justice Center), and can be guaranteed to go off on a tear when a local Somali so much as gets a parking ticket. And do they know how to play to the cameras! A Somali woman was brutally raped and beaten in the hallway of her apartment building last year by her Somali fiance, and when people started asking why none of the other people in the building called the police, the Justice Center cried “xenophobia!” to the media, and the media actually carried it with a striaght face. As a result, the local police dropped the investigation into whether charges should be brought against people who literally walked past as it was happening. Apparently, beating and raping a woman who belongs to you is one of the cultural values we should accept in the name of diversity and understanding.
Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.
This is one of the many rabbit holes you encounter when you start talking about Somalia.
Amy Miller (Diary) Friday, April 24th at 12:30PM EST (link)For the most part, most people who have fled/emigrated from Somalia do have legitimate sob stories. They are tragic, and horrifying, and yet could do so much to raise awareness (here I go talkin’ like a leftie) about the human condition in the Horn.
However, 99% of the time, those stories are twisted and bastardized and turned into something that can be used against the West; most of the time, the twisting and the bastardizing is done by people that have no knowledge of Somalia other than what they saw in “Black Hawk Down”. Heaven forbid anything be the fault of indigenous people and terrorists.
One of the hurdles the West will have to over come if we do indeed decide to plunge into this (which makes every bit of my psyche scream in protest) is this convoluted, gratuitous conception of racism that has spread over (especially) Europe and America. Like you said, a minority can’t get a parking ticket without somebody screaming about racism. We (and by “we” I mean the screaming mimis who are making everything worse) will have to come to the realization that the situation in the Horn has nothing to do with racism, but everything to do with the exhausted complicity of a people that has allowed violence and terrorism to hijack their hearts and minds.
Oh, and I shudder to think what Markos Moulitsas would say if he ever saw this. I’d definitely end up with my name in the book, if you know what I mean.
“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.
You misunderstand
Next93 (Diary) Friday, April 24th at 2:35PM EST (link)The sob stories the local media covers ARENT about what these people experienced in Somalia; they’re about the difficulties that they face HERE. You know, welfare forms that arent in Urdu, not enough translators on the police force, Somalis jailed for using Khat (a narcotic indigenous to Somalia), Somalis not being given special priveledges on the job because of thier religion, how hard it is to maintain thier customs (like the right of any man to
beatdiscipline the women that he owns the way they should be), and in general how much more difficult it is for them here in Minnesota than it was in Somalia (I dare you to figure THAT one out!)The Somali Justice Center isn’t concerned about how Somalis treat other Somalis in Somalia, they’re concerned that Somalis in Minnesota aren’t exempted from the rules and behavioral expectations of everyone else in Minnesota. One of the first things they did after the Robertson rescue was to send a legal team to New York to ensure that the surviving pirate got a fair trial; they operate off the assumption that everything that has to do with Somalis is somehow unfair. By the way, that’s our tax dollars at work; the SJC somehow managed to get the local Democrats to finance part of its operations.
Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.
Ah, I see
Amy Miller (Diary) Friday, April 24th at 8:26PM EST (link)Though I didn’t misunderstand anything, I see your point. It’s another disgusting example of “striving for equality”, but their version of “equality” involves compromising American values and laws to accommodate the lawlessness of an immigrant population.
I fail to understand how much more difficult it is here than in Somalia… I mean, I guess it’s quite terrible to have food to eat and a safe home to sleep in; and it must be rather taxing to have to cut the hallucinogens and not knock your woman around…but still. That culture shock’ll getcha every time!!!
“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.
You'd love more to see how Ms Ali receives your analysis.
pilgrim (Diary) Friday, April 24th at 8:52PM EST (link)I believe she approves of your analysis for including a link to her recent remarks on the disconnect between the West and Somalis et al vis a vis defining courage. You describe things as they are, and do not sugarcoat anything for the metrosexual readers. You also describe the need to be cautious in dealing with Somalis without adding that they never ever going to change. Ms Ali is living proof that a Somali can read John Locke, Edmund Burke, Adam Smith, and John Mills, and obtain a different attitude.
Change doesn't happen without cause
Next93 (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 10:36AM EST (link)Of course people, even whole cultures can change. But not without a reason.
In the business world, one of the tennets of changing an organization is that change doesn’t happen unless the inconvenience (read: “pain”) of not changing is greater than that of changing.
Here in Minnesota, the state and local liberals are doing everything they can to ensure that there is no impetus for change; ideally the Somalis living here would be able to pretend that they’re still in Mogadishu, albiet a version of Mogadishu with food, shelter, safety, and law (as long as it’s a form of “law” that doesn’t inflict American values on anyone). While I don’t want to get into a tirade on the dangers of anti-assimilation policies, if Somalis living in the comfort of Minnesota are this resistant to change withiout a good, solid motivation, I don’t see how anyone can expect to change anything in Somalia without the application of significant and overpowering force.
And I just don’t see the current administratoin having the courage, political or otherwise, to do ANYTHING that includes an element of naked military power.
Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.
I agree next93, and lives are at risk from Obama's approach
pilgrim (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 10:51AM EST (link)The Obama administration has this idiotic idea that they can be just like the scene from the Disney Davey Crockett series where Davey is going to ‘grin’ down a bear. Of course Davey had the good sense to finish the job with the bear the tried and true way. I don’t have confidence that Obama has this same good sense. He follows this ‘grin down the bear’ strategy with these bad actors across the globe, and their reaction is going to cost us lives.
Interesting piece from Pat Buchanan...
Amy Miller (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 1:45PM EST (link)I know…Pat Buchanan…but I really liked this particular tidbit:
“Perhaps Obama believes in turn-the-other-cheek diplomacy, though it is hard to find much success in history for such a policy. Perhaps pacifism is in his DNA. Perhaps he shares the indictment of America that is part of the repertoire of every Latin demagogue.”
(Obviously in regards to what happened in Trinidad, but still thought provoking. The rest, here.
Latin America, South America, Southeast Asia, Horn of Africa…all the same thing. Kowtowing to the demands of dictators, his party, the Europeans, or whoever else would love to indict America for misery and unhappiness in the world, is no way to run a country. I do not accept the assumption that it is acceptable for the President to risk MY life and safety to falsely pacify the consciences of deluded liberals.
“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.
Somalia is
johnminehan (Diary) Wednesday, April 29th at 11:02AM EST (link)a lot more complex than just “a failed state.” Somalia is more a “them” than an “it.”
Somaliland (the former British Somaliland) is a functional state. Only the AU’s reticence over changing existing borders keeps it from being a fully recognized state.
Puntland (the area from which many of the pirates operate) is less than a full state, but derives a modicum of legitimacy from the fact that it is populated by different clans than the South and from the fact that it gains a certain amount of hard currency from the pirates. The thing that stopped the ICU in 2006 was more that difference in clans than the Ethiopian Army.
The South (Mog, Kismayo, the Juba Valley, etc.) is a failed state, but the ICU has been restroing order on its template. As you point out, this is a popular approach . . . but its practical limitation is the clans. The people in Puntland aren’t going to put up with rule by the southern clans, historically.
It could be, as in the low lands of Scotland between the late 13th Century and the Reformation, that religion slowly over rides the clans. In that case, the chance that Somalia could become more like a conventional state ctually improves. There are some signs of that. However, this rift between the clans and what appears to be a rift between Al Shubab and the ICU faction that is currently attempting to absorb the TFG create an opportunity.
Believe me, I am well aware of that fact.
Amy Miller (Diary) Wednesday, April 29th at 11:41AM EST (link)I didn’t include a blurb on Somaliland/Puntland/etc., but that’s definitely significant.
“What appears to be a rift” between Al Shabaab and the ICU is actually a raging battle for power over the hearts and minds of the people in Somalia. Sharia law was implemented in the region, but that didn’t do much to appease Al Shabaab…they’ve now started their own mini-war against the ICU/”government” because what was accepted was not THEIR version of Sharia law.
::holds head in hands::
It’s a flying umbrella, and there’s no one driving.
“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.