White House, Democratic Leadership going to end filibuster


      I just read OpenLeft, and now it is certain that the White House and Democratic Leadership are going to try to end the filibuster. The Senate GOP now needs to be prepared to preserve the filibuster no matter what. The GOP needs to prepare a PR offensive in order to counter the Democrats, and all conservatives are going to need to consider the support for eliminating the filibuster an act of war.

     I don’t know how the GOP should carry out its defense, but it is clear now that it has to fight, or else there will be no minority rights in this country. Now is the time to stand up for the filibuster, to ensure that the country is protected from majority tyranny, whatever the cost.



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That would be a bad move.

Steph C (Diary) Friday, February 5th at 9:40PM EST (link)

But then, the left isn’t all that bright.

The conservative grass roots has begun moving and are looking to replace a goodly number of the Washington establishment. I don’t believe there will be an opportunity to turn back the clock if they get rid of the filibuster now. That’s a continual problem with the left. They’re always changing the rules to their advantage when in power and then, when in the minority, convincing gullible Republicans into changing them back to prevent Republicans from doing unto the Democrats what the Democrats did to them. They’ll be depending on that happening into perpetuity.

The people have had enough and it’s not going to be status quo much longer and the Dems will have to live with their folly.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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5, and to add,

gekster (Diary) Friday, February 5th at 9:50PM EST (link)

wasn’t it the Dems who said the majority should govern with the consent of the minority.
oh, wait.
That was when the Dems were in the minority.
Never mind.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

Both parties are hypocrites on the filibuster

Spiral (Diary) Saturday, February 6th at 12:08PM EST (link)

When the Democrats were filibustering President Bush’s judicial nominees to the federal court of appeals, an unprecedented tactic by the way, it was the Democrats who were arguing that the filibuster was an important check on majority rule and it was the Republicans who were considering the Constitutional Option of bypassing the current Senate Rule regarding cloture for rules changes and forcing up or down votes on Bush’s judicial nominees.

So, the filibuster seems great when you are in the minority and lousy when you are in the majority.

Overall, I would prefer than the senate change its rules to one containing a 51/100ths of all Senators chosen and sworn from our current 3/5ths of all Senators chosen and sworn.

There’s really no point in having elections if the people who lose the election can prevent the winners from governing, in my opinion.

That said, I hope the Republicans filibuster this health care like there’s no tommorrow, just as the Democrats filibustered Bush’s judicial nominees to the federal court of appeals like there was no tommorrow.

 
 

The Dems would have better luck trying to repeal the Seventeenth Amendment...

rbdwiggins (Diary) Saturday, February 6th at 9:32AM EST (link)

It takes the same two-thirds majority to change Senate Rules, and the Dems would be more likely to secure Republican support for amending the constitution than ending the rights of the minority.

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

 

Don't they need a 2/3's majority to change Senate Rules? nt

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Saturday, February 6th at 11:41AM EST (link)

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

Re: Don't they need 2/3rds majority to change Senate rules?

Spiral (Diary) Saturday, February 6th at 11:51AM EST (link)

Not really. All it takes is a simple majority to change senate procedure, while leaving the rules unchanged.

You see. It is the full Senate that interprets and enforces Senate rules. So, whenever a majority of Senators and the Presiding officer of the Senate want to ignore a Senate Rule, they can.

Ready my recent diary titled: Junk the filibuster, but only once the GOP wins the majority back.

I discuss, briefly, how Senate rules and/or Senate procedures have been changed in the past by a simple majority vote.

I think there is a distinction between changing and interpreting, with the latter

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, February 6th at 12:21PM EST (link)

requiring only 51 votes. And I think that rules are set my the majority at the beginning of each term and can only be changed during a term by a super-majority.

but that is just my best recollection during all the nuclear option debate several years ago

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 
 

Changing and interpreting Senate rules

Spiral (Diary) Saturday, February 6th at 12:33PM EST (link)

The bottom line is that the Senate can change the way it does business by a simple majority vote and can do so at any time.

There are many examples of this that I could provide. I will try to do so some time today. But you can look at my most recent diary for a few examples.

But they probably won't bypass the filibuster

Spiral (Diary) Saturday, February 6th at 12:57PM EST (link)

Pulling a Kowalski here…..

The Democrats can ignore, bypass, overrule or change the filibuster tactic at any time with a simple majority vote.

But they probably won’t do it for the same reason that such changes in Senate procedure/rules are rare: Senators feel bound by tradition. So, they don’t like going around the rules or changing them based on a single piece of Senate business.

Sure, for the Democrats and the Left, health care might be important enough to them for them to use the Byrd option (or Constitutional Option as the GOP called it back in 2005 when they were trying to stop the Democrats’ filibustering of Bush’s judicial nominees to the federal court of appeals).

But right now, moderate Democrats are running scared in the aftermath of the Scott Brown victory in Massachusetts and the Democrats don’t even know, even if they did use the Byrd option, what compromise legislation that they would actually want to pass, given that there is a difference between the legislation passed by the US House and the US Senate.

So, I think many on the Left will demand that the Senate bypass the 60 vote requirement and the Senate will be unable to muster the will and the political recklessness to do so.

 
 

Dem leadership?

bballfan Saturday, February 6th at 2:40PM EST (link)

They think they are Gods. They will try as much as they can to keep their rule over us. We will remenber in November and 2012.

 

Dem leadership?

bballfan Saturday, February 6th at 2:40PM EST (link)

They think they are Gods. They will try as much as they can to keep their rule over us. We will remenber in November and 2012.