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Huck Captures the Feelings of Religious Conservatives

We continue our blog of “Do the Right Thing” because while certain people think we shouldn’t do it, others think its useful to take a more broad look at what Huckabee is saying in the book for more reasoned analysis and discussion, rather than taking a few quotes out of context.

Secondly, this book is fairly popular. My brother went into Borders and they were all out, this CNN i-reporter had about 800 people show up in Bentonville, AR and there was record-breaking lines in Cedar Rapids. I think because this is a book that people are reading, it’s important to know what’s in it and what’s it about.

In Chapter 4, Huckabee mentions rivals, but it’s pretty sparing. He briefly discusses Fred Thompson and Rudy Giuliani’s position on abortion, has a kind work for Former Governor, HHS Secretary, and short-time Candidate Tommy Thompson and then talks about the irony of Bob Jones endorsing Mitt Romney to get a winner when Romney finished with half the votes of Huckabee or McCain and was beaten by Fred Thompson.

The focus of the book is on “Faith Voters.” Huckabee chided the media for labeling everyone concerned about social conservatives as an “Evangelical Voter” writing, “Many of these voters are Catholic, Jewish or even nonreligious.” If some are non-religious, I’m not certain the term “faith voter” is particularly apt, but probably more so than “Evangelical Voter”

Huckabee grabs a hold of the theme of homelessness as an analogy for cultural conservatives suggesting that political operatives running campaigns have a similar understanding that most people do to the homeless. “We know of them, but we don’t really know about them. We know what they are, but not who they are.”

Carrying this forward, he writes:

Increasingly, these voters are expected to be satisfied with a crumb of attention from the ruling class, but no one wants them to show up at the main table. If anything, they are expected not to get in the way, not to be that visible during the day, not to engage in conversations with the political elites. Just like during the holiday season when the swells often show up to dish out a plate of turkey and dressing, the politically homeless can typically expect to be permitted visibility during the two political “Holy Days,” the primary and the genral election, when the unwashed masses of religious zealots are expected to dutifully attend rallies holding signs, pull all-nighters doing yard-sign placement and literature drops, ring doorbells, man phone banks, and stand at polling places. They are expected to make the noise at the election night party in the main room, even though most of them won’t be able to get near the nice finger food being served to those whose large checks have apparently exempted from the kind of street work done in the trenches.

The faith people are driven by a simple desire to preserve simple principles of faith, family, and freedom for their children. They are not expecting to be named an ambassador to a European nation or invited to a sleepover in the Lincoln bedroom. They are not expecting to attend the inauguration, because the trip would cost more than two months of their salary. They have no illusions about sitting next to the first lady during the State of the Union or catching a ride on Air Force One. They did none of what they did in order to get more involved with the government, but rather to keep government from getting even more involved with rearing or educating their children, confiscating their hard earned paychecks, or adding to the burdens on their already stressed-out employers.

This is definitely a passage that will resonate with frustrated cultural conservatives and it defines their feelings and where much of the tension comes.

Huckabee then spends several pages talking about his conversations with the Arlington Group, a group of religious conservative leaders which he thought at the time could provide his campaign a shot in the arm. The group, in a move that symbolizes much of the lethargy in the cultural conservative movement, ended up endorsing no one. Huckabee said he was “spared” as the endorsement would have basically turned him into a candidate of the Arlington Group and given the sheer volume of questions asked about his faith, that would not have been good.

Huckabee pays homage to Cultural Conservative movement: Jerry Falwell, D. James Kennedy, and Bill Bright. Huckabee suggests that the giants are dying or becoming less active and the current Arlington Group is wavering as they had “become more enamored with the process, the political strategies, and the party hierarchy than with the simple principles that motivated the founders.”

Huckabee points to several up and coming leaders who are more concerned about principles than the horserace mentality. Some of these names I find kind of odd: Don Wildmon has been around a while, and Michael Farris since the 1990s and Beverly and Tim LaHaye for quite some time, but I think that’s some sense of diplomacy in not lumping them in with some of the other Christian Conservatives who were criticized.

Huckabee’s criticism of Gary Bauer has made headlines. Huckabee went after Bauer for telling he was more focused on national security than traditional cultural conservative issues. Huckabee wrote, “…it occurred to me if a pro-family organization was now focusing on the might of the military and the role of the CIA in combatting terrorism, then it was no longer a pro-family group, but a national security group, just like dozens of others similiarly focus. It would be like the NRA saying, ‘Well, we we still care about guns, but what we really want to focus on is global warming.’ When an organization can’t even focus on its focus, it’s hopelessly lost.”

Bauer has fired backsaying Huckabee wasn’t conservative enough on multiple issues, and furthermore:

Immediately after attacking me for talking less about life and marriage, he writes about Christians like himself who have, “…an expanding concern for issues like human poverty, AIDS, disease, and hunger.” So the problem is not about whether these newer issues are important. Rather, it concerns which issues have become so important that they should join the list of most important issues. “

Actually, this is something wrote about. In the same paragraph Bauer quoted, Huckabee said, “The irony was that while I was being rejected because I thought Christian groups should be addressing this expanded list of issues, those who rejected me for that were the ones who said that my views ought to include a certain orthodox on global warming, terrorism, and torture.” Let the reader decide who’s side irony’s really on here.

Bauer concludes his piece with this statement, “After he is finished attacking all those who he thinks denied him the GOP nomination, I look forward to working with him to reform the GOP and revitalize the conservative movement. “

Actually, Huckabee doesn’t so much say that the Arlington Group denied him the nomination but rather that current cultural conservative leaders are ineffective, divided, and more focused on Inside Baseball than the issues their constituents care about. Huckabee doesn’t say, “If not for Gary Bauer…” He rather suggests a need for new voices and that new leaders are emerging.

The rest of the chapter includes Huckabee’s feelings on being pegged as the religious candidate, as well as his annoyance at the “game show” style of Presidential debates that in many cases left him with half the time of other candidates and questions that weren’t relevant.

He recognized the key turning point of the campaign was at the Values Voter Debate in Ft. Lauterdale, Fl. where Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, and John McCain skipped out and the debate was not carried by major TV networks. That, he considered the start of the Huckaboom.

He also pointed to the debate hosted by Tavis Smiley and largely targeted towards minority audiences that Huckabee attended while other candidates dodged. Minority outreach is kind of hard when you won’t go and outreach to minorities.

If there’s one thing in this chapter, I’ll criticize Huckabee for, it’s the use of somewhat obscure scripture allusions that I’m not even sure most Christians know. Sadly, most of our churches don’t teach the finer points of 2 Samuel and 2 Kings and I’m not sure how many Christians, let alone secular folks, will get the allusions to Elisha and to King David’s prophet.


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Here in redstate.

Lelouch (Diary) Sunday, November 23rd at 11:50PM EST (link)

The politically homeless is not just out there, it is also here in redstate.

For instance, me and you are the only ones here that are partial to Mike Huckabee, the others just give him the Hillary treatment.

And if you don’t agree with them, they will show you the door.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

Stop this "poor little ol' me" schtick right now!

civil truth (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 12:10AM EST (link)

I don’t think anyone sensible at RedState has any problem with reasoned discussion, like this book review here.

What sends up the red flags are symptoms of “cult of personality” – this is what all the mocking allusions to Obama as Messiah or The One was all about, and the same towards those who lost perspective on the Republican candidates, whether it was Thompson, Romney, or Huckabee.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

Not self pity, but an observation.

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 12:16AM EST (link)

I suppose your one of those that think Huckabee is from the devil, huh ? Or at least a democrat in disguise.

You want a cult of personality ? Try the whitewashing of Mitt Romney’s record by the so-called conservatives.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

The Hillary treatment?

Diogenes314 (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 12:25AM EST (link)

Now that’s just silly. Hillary is potentially theoreticly, maybe electable, the Huckster is more deserving of the Ron Paul treatment.

I didn't say anything about the candidate

civil truth (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 12:29AM EST (link)

Again, it’s when supporters lose perspective – that’s were the heavy-duty stuff started to happen, including name-calling.

I followed the primary season here, and since my candidate of choice was Duncan Hunter, I could remain an observer.

I saw criticism of Huckabee supporters who lost perspective – the same with some Romney supporters – and the same with some Thompson supporters. And even with a few McCain supporters.

Equal opportunity. Nobody gets to play victim here at RedState. Victimhood is a left value.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

 
 
 
 
 

Huckabee is nothing more than Huey P. Long

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:20AM EST (link)

with a bible under his arm.

The guy is no conservative. Period. He’s barely a Republican. His history of out-and-out lies about his record as governor should be more than enough to convince anybody capable of rational thought that he’s got no place on the national political scene. But then again, his supporters don’t much seem to be capable of rational thought.

And Stephen, you’re a pinhead. Nobody has ever accused Rev Mike of being of the devil. And as far as “white washed records”, while I’m no fan of Romney he’s an upstanding citizen compared to Huckabee.

....?

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 2:31AM EST (link)

How so ?

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

Sounds like you have a chip on your

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 2:37AM EST (link)

shoulder. Explain to me your views on Huckabee, then I’ll take you seriously.

Don’t throw dirt at least without some backing. That’s what the democrats do all them time.

I am pretty sure your not like that.

Explain to me why Mike Huckabee is deserving of the title, RINO.

If you can tell me what Mike Huckabee has done that Mitt Romney hasn’t done, then I will eat crow.

Until then, have a little respect, and don’t call a fellow Republican a pinhead.

Last thing we need is Republicans preying on Republicans.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

...I see

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 2:38AM EST (link)

I will keep that in mind.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

Yeah right ... Mitt Romney never raised taxes.

Martin Knight (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 6:21AM EST (link)

PS: Taxes != User Fees.

And by the way, the more you post ...

Martin Knight (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 7:19AM EST (link)

… the more it seems that you’re not actually for Huckabee, just against Romney.

The election is over, Hucksters. You all should lay your swords down.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Overturning Roe v. Wade is no "crumb"

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 7:46AM EST (link)

and besides Rudy, that was the position of every Republican candidate for President. I trust Rudy to nominate judges who would overturn Roe v. Wade more than I trust Huckabee to do so because Huckabee has an apparently soft and shallow understanding of how the constitutional arguments play out.

During the campaign, Huckabee uttered the phrase “living and breathing Constitution” in a positive light. This is code language for judicial overreach, but Huckabee uses the “language of left” even if unknowingly. Would he have the savy to avoid nominating future Souters? Despite his best intentions, I think not. O’Conner and Kennedy are both very religious people, yet their votes on the issue are quite inadequate.

Huckabee ignores the endorsement of Thompson by the most prominent pro-life group in the country.

Huckebee ignores Palin, who is not mentioned in his book.

It would have been a better book if Huckabee had actually confronted his weaknesses rather than ignore them.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

Listen up...

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 11:43AM EST (link)

First of all, this isn’t a question of Huckabee v. Romney. I have no intention of comparing the two to come up with a winner.

This is the really short form on Huckabee. If I can get back into my RS2.0 diaries, I’ll cut and paste a very detailed deconstruction of him – several in fact – that I did earlier in the year. I have no intention of redoing the research, with links and video because frankly, you’re not worth the effort.

  1. Huckabee was governor of AR for ten years.
  2. In those ten years, not once did he reduce any state tax.
  3. In those ten years, not once did he attempt to reduce a state tax.
  4. As a matter of fact, he stood in front of the legislature and begged them to pass a tax increase, any tax increase (and he ran down a laundry list of them) and promised he would sign it.
  5. With respect to the fuel tax increase that he devised, sold to the legislature and actively worked to get passed and then signed off on, he flat-out lied about his role and virtually everything to do with the increase. Not once, but multiple times. He’s never bothered to correct the record. At least Bill Clinton fessed up when he was caught.
  6. He is opposed to charter schools and vouchers.
  7. He is supported by, and actively sought the support of, the NEA.
  8. He’s never recommended elimination of a single government program.
  9. His support for FairTax carries no weight with me. First of all, there’s no way it will get through the Congress, especially since it requires a Constitutional Amendment to repeal the 16th Amendment. That will never gain the approval of the 34 States because most states base their income tax on the Federal tax. There’s a very long argument against the ability to implement the FT, I’m not going through anymore of here. Bottom line, the guy signed on to FT for the built in organization, knowing NOTHING will change.
  10. His flacking for the Human Life Amendment. First of all, there are at least seven versions of the HLA. Five of them do not outlaw abortion, the most they do (and even this is arguable) is to remove the federal courts and the Congress from the issue, thus returning it to the states. Overturn Roe, you’ve accomplished the same thing. And you’ll NEVER get a Constitutional Amendment passed. You will NEVER get 67 votes in the US Senate for this. The last time it was tried, with a hefty Republican majority under Reagan I don’t think it got 25 votes.
  11. The guy makes both Sarah Palin and Obama look like heavyweights in foreign policy.
  12. His position on immigration is to the left of McCain. He actively worked with the Mexican government to make it easier to issue Consular Cards in AR, a prime point of illegal immigration.
  13. Back to the size of government, the state government in AR grew at something like 4 times the rate of inflation during his term in office.
  14. Unlike Rudy, during whose eight year term as mayor of the most liberal big city in the nation, the number of abortions actually decreased, abortions in AR increased during Huckabee’s term. For all his blather about being pro-life, he did nothing as governor to promote alternatives to abortion or to reduce the number of abortions.
  15. Then there’s his defense of Obama’s former pastor, Rev. Wright…
  16. And finally, after his 10 years as governor a Republican can’t buy a statewide office in AR. The Republican Party in AR is in no better shape than the Republican Party nationally (and I wouldn’t support Bush again either).

Bottom line, the guy was an elected official in AR for 12 years, 10 as governor. He has exactly zero “conservative” accomplishments he can point to. Oh, and then there was his comment to the effect that we hadn’t even seen what a compassionate conservative is under Bush and he’d show us what real compassion was.

Mike Huckabee is unfit for national office or office in AZ. If you want him to be your governor that’s your problem.

Accessing RS 2.0 archives

Steve Maley (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 11:55AM EST (link)

In a Google window, enter

site:archive.redstate.com mbecker908 huckabee

or replace the italics with your relevant search keywords.

Works for me, anyway.

The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.

Vlad, you're a 10. And Neil, you can ignore my email.

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 12:06PM EST (link)

Thanks. :>)

OK Stephen Hall, try this on for size...

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 12:30PM EST (link)

Huckabee is to the Left of All the Candidates. | Redstate

If you want to see more on Huckabee, you can click here for a comprehensive list. If that doesn’t work, just follow Vlad’s instruction noted, I think, above.

You definitely are taking this personally

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 12:54PM EST (link)

Quite frankly, that attitude of your will insure that we Republicans will remain in the minority for quite some time.

Since, you did inconvenience your self to bring up the points in which you have a greivance with Mike Huckabee, even though I am not worth your time, I will counter every one of those points.

  1. Whats wrong with being the governor of Arkansas for ten and a half years ?

2&3. Outright lie, Mike Huckabee did, infact, cut state taxes. The most notable being the STATE income tax, for people below the poverty line. Among other tax cuts included the capital gains tax cut on both homes and businesses and the individual, indexing the income tax to protect people from paying higher taxes, among other things too.

  1. The speech was taken out of context, the very same method employed against Sarah Palin. The Arkansas legislature, dominated by democrats, bucked Mike Huckabees efforts time and again to get the spending under control. They finally brought themselves to the brink of disaster, shutting down the government and all, Mike said that if they don’t want any of his solutions, they should come up with one himself. Shame on you.

  2. Are you just using conjecture for your points ? Mike Huckabee did create the gas tax, however, he sent it to a referendum to the Arkansas people, who passed it overwelmingly by 80%. A referendum, Becker, not a bill. Another distortion.

  3. You must admit, when involved with school vouchers, that the main proponents of the are private and Christians schools. So when they went up to Mike Huckabee and told them that they were against it, on the basis that if a student showed up with a voucher, the school was forbidden to turn him away. Regardless of whether he can pay the rest of the tuition or not. They can get sued for discrimination, you know. Besides, had he done though, the state would have demanded regulations and red-tape on the private schools. Remember, the legislature is dominated by Democrats. No proponent of federalism would be caught dead in such a circumstance.

  4. If we don’t reach out to other groups, with compromising our beliefs, then why should we win the election.
    A counter question would be, why should we attend the NAACP function, or an Hispanic organization ? We don’t need the minorities, or other groups of people, according to you.

  5. Good question. Here is a better one, could you get a program cut, in a democratic legislature that had a supermajority ? Learn to pick your battles, and fight them. I am beginning to think that you are an ideologue, akin to Ron Paul.

  6. That is your own opinion, and to be honest, I could care less about your opinion on the matter. I am only interested in facts. On a side note, people said we couldn’t go to the moon either, did they ?

  7. Again, your own opinion.

  8. And again, your own opinion. If you are going to make a charge, back it up with facts, or shut up. Your call.

  9. That is also your opinion as well. Please at least bring some facts, rather then empty charges.

    1. the tax burder only went up .11%, one of the lowest in the nation. 2. Where exactly do you find this stuff ? CFG, hardly a credible source. Again, your own opinion.
  10. You are beginning to make Bill Clinton’s “I did not sleep” speech look like a white lie. Everybody here in redstate can tell, even if they are vehemently opposed to Mike Huckabee, that he is, first and foremost, a pro-life candidate. I am not even going to bother, considering that it should be obvious to the casual observer.

  11. Another obvious lie. Mike Huckabee didn’t defend Wright. All he mentioned was that if you did live through the 60′s, you could understand why a few blacks are like that.

  12. Finally, the last point. The Republican party in Arkansas has always been in shambles, and more often then not, its their own doing. Besides, I am from Arkansas. Its considered to be sacrilege to a Republican down there. Besides, they deserve it. They fought him just about as much as the Democrats did.

All in all, I think your just a guy who took Mike Huckabee way to personally, and who need to chill out. If you don’t like what I have to say, you can always get Moe Lane to blam me.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

Already seen it.

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 12:59PM EST (link)

Like your post, it contains distortions and outright lies.

I will read it again if you like, but you will also have to read the manifesto on Huckabee’s website.

Otherwise, considering the author admitted he was a fredhead, doesn’t have a lot of credibility with me.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

You obviously don't know mbecker

NightTwister (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 12:59PM EST (link)

if you think he takes anything personally.

I sometimes have to wonder if the guy is part machine.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

Is that so ?

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:01PM EST (link)

Why the trashing post-haste then ? The election may be over, but the power struggle has just begun.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

The fact that you

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:02PM EST (link)

trust Rudy speaks volumes. I will just live it at that.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

or just go to http://archive.redstate.com

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:02PM EST (link)
  • nt

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

Mbecker's posts tell me otherwise,

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:05PM EST (link)

but, that is my own opinion on the matter. You have been here longer, you should know.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

Yes, I should. And I do. -nt-

NightTwister (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:12PM EST (link)

-nt-

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

You're an idiot.

NightTwister (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:15PM EST (link)

Sorry mbecker, I couldn’t wait for you to state the obvious on this one.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

Stephen Hall is still here? is there not a Huckabee 12th step site for him to go to?

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:20PM EST (link)

"Explain to me your views on Huckabee, then I'll take you seriously"

aesthete (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:25PM EST (link)

Or not: “Like your post, it contains distortions and outright lies.”

Also: “Good question. Here is a better one, could you get a program cut, in a democratic legislature that had a supermajority ?” Rudy got quite a few tax cuts through and passed legislation to clean up the streets. Reagan, with Tip O’Niell, got across most of his signature defense legislation. Bobby Jindal was able to pass ethics laws and is working to make Louisiana more business-friendly as we speak. All of these had to compromise: it’s the name of the game. But all of them got their signature legislation passed, and (on the whole) governed conservatively. Could you show us a place where Huck got something of substance in exchange for compromising with the Dems? No? Then he’s not fit to lead, no matter how charming he is.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

Let's settle this down

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:28PM EST (link)

Site admin hat firmly on

The primaries are OVER. Don’t fight them again, PLEASE. No ‘idiot’ talk, no ‘Fredhead’ stuff, none of it. None of it is suitable for Red State.

Former Huckabee supporters are Republicans. Former Thompson supporters are Republicans. That’s what matters at this point.

I hope this is the last thing I have to say on this subject.

Thank you for your cooperation.

RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

See my comment above please (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:30PM EST (link)

RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

As I said, I did NOT support Rudy

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:31PM EST (link)

because I am a team player.

However, many Huckabee supporters refuse to even consider anybody besides Huckabee, even though ever other candidate was in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade.

I am a full fledged Social Conservative. If you have read anything I have written on this site, I consistently remind people that the pro-life voting block is far larger than the pro-free trade voting block.

However, dismissive attitudes such as your response to me is a problem that a conservative majority will need to overcome.

My comment included a lot of specifics. I, unlike you, did not say

“Your support of Huckabee says it all”

Take the plank out of your eye before looking into mine.

I am actually trying to build a winning team hear.

What is your goal?

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

Please see my comments above (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:32PM EST (link)

RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

Hey, you seem to forget

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:37PM EST (link)

That many of Mike Huckabee’s supporters were the ones backing Sarah Palin as well.

For instance, while my main man would be Mike Huckabee, I am partial to Bobby Jindal, and Sarah Palin. Michael Steele would be another good choice.

I have nothing against Rudy, but it puzzles me that someone can support a moderate like Rudy, then turn around and bash Mike Huckabee for making statements that definitely needed to be rephrased.

Other than that I do agree with you.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

Watcha gonna do ?

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:38PM EST (link)

Blam me if I don’t go ?

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

The primaries are over

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:41PM EST (link)

However, the hate still remains. But, I do agree with you on that regard, and we keep it in mind on future posts.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

Even if I did, would you change your tune ?

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:43PM EST (link)

Don’t cast your pearls before swines.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

Stephen: Let it go, please.

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:44PM EST (link)

I’m asking everyone to tone down the comments to you, as well as your comments to them. So please, don’t go keeping the tensions high.

Because I can and will blam anyone who does. Jaded isn’t a moderator. I am.

Thank you.

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Stephen, you're an ignorant jerk.

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:44PM EST (link)
  1. There’s nothing “wrong” with being governor of anything for any period of time. It would be good if he had a conservative accomplishment or two to run on though.
  2. The state tax burden on each individual in AR at the end of Huck’s 10 years as governor was 47% higher than when he started. Net, net. And as far as the “bill” is concerned, Huckabee wrote it and submitted and then lied repeatedly that he had nothing to do with it. The guy is fully as dishonest as you are stupid.
  3. With respect to vouchers, you don’t know you a$$ from a hole in the ground. In AZ, and in many other states, there is a vibrant charter school movement and vouchers would be used, probably on a 10:1 ratio, in secular charter schools rather than religious based schools. Huck is nothing more than a supporter of the NEA monopoly on crappy schools.
  4. That comment is so stupid it doesn’t deserve a response.
    5.”Learn to pick your battles”. Heh. He didn’t find one battle to even fight in 10 years. And I’m no ideologue. I believe in winning by doing it incrementally.
    6&7. No not my opinion, fact. I’m not going to bother with links but the info is out there.
  5. Name me one program at the federal level he’s recommended eliminating or cutting. Hint jerk: you can’t, he hasn’t.
  6. If you think I’m wrong on implementation of FairTax, fine. Write a diary on the subject and please highlight EXACTLY how you’re going to get it through the Congress. Until then, you’re just another ignorant fool who doesn’t understand the process.
  7. You spilled you kool aid. It’s 47%.
  8. Clinton is no more dishonest than Huckabee. Hell, Huckabee even tried to steal the AR Governor’s Mansion furniture like Clinton did in the WH. Frankly, I’ll take Clinton. At least he knows he’s lying.
  9. I know significantly more about black churches than you do. My wife and I were members of a black church for many years. And yes, Huckabee went out of his way to defend Wright. You are an ignorant fool.
  10. So, when Huck got elected the Party was in shambles. What you’re saying is that he exercised exactly no leadership for 12 years as an elected official in order to rebuild the Party. He couldn’t recruit people at the local level or the state level to run and he couldn’t build an organization. Why the hell would I want that guy at the head of my national party.

Stephen, you are a fool. In the biblical sense. And NT’s right, I don’t take anything personally. I’m just riled at your complete stupidity and willingness to ignore the facts as related to this worthless fakir who lies with impunity and has a solid record of zero accomplishments.

Go away. I’m certainly done with you. I suspect most everybody else will be as well.

Neil. I missed this before I penned my

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:47PM EST (link)

final comment. I’m done.

Please see my comments elsewhere in this thread (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 1:49PM EST (link)

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I did NOT support Rudy

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 2:03PM EST (link)

and I did not understand why people supported Huckabee

I supported Fred Thompson in the primary. I am a huge supporter of Palin.

Fred Thompson was endorsed by the largest and most prominent pro-life group in the country.

Huckabee characterized a vote for Thompson as a vote for “crumbs”

I am relieved to hear that Huckabee voters support Palin and are open to other candidates

Again, I did NOT support Rudy. I can see some of his strengths, and I do think he would nominate good judges. However, I specifically did NOT support Rudy for reasons of maintaining a strong team.

Huckabee supporters showed no similar restraint.

Again:

I did NOT support Rudy.

I did support Fred Thompson.

In case you missed it above, I did NOT support Rudy.

Did I mention that I did NOT vote for Rudy.

In concluding, I did NOT vote for Rudy.

Just to clarify and emphasize the point, I did NOT support Rudy for President.

Do you understand that I did NOT vote for Rudy?

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

My apologies.

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 2:09PM EST (link)

I posted that right before I read your statement.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Huckabee

indym (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 2:17PM EST (link)

As i read the comments regarding Huckabee and taxes, no has bothered to think how the people of Arkansas felt about Huckabee. He was elected LT Gov and elected Governor twice. He left with high approval ratings. the republican candidtate in 2006 lost the race to Gov Beebe. He ran as a more conservative candidate and lost. Huckabee was able to attract across the board support as Governor. Most signifcantly he attracted a good deal of support from African Americans and women. Huckabee may not be as conservative as some would like but he did a good job as governor. The republican party in Arkansas is in trouble. They did not nominate a candidate for the senate this and probably will not have one for 2010.

I am from Arkansas,

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 2:25PM EST (link)

so I can attest to that.

There is a reason why he had such a high ratings while in office, and even also out of office.

It also helped that he left it with a surplus, which his predecessor capitalized on and cut more taxes.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

Well let me ask you something

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 2:30PM EST (link)

If Governor Huckabee was so beloved, then why is it the party in that state is in disarray after being led by him so long?

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I did.

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 3:41PM EST (link)

You posted those when I was typing the above. As I said, I’m done.

Yes we crossposted there

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 3:47PM EST (link)

Appreciated.

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I get it, I get it

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 3:57PM EST (link)

My bad.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

"beloved" is not the term I would.

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 4:07PM EST (link)

That term would apply only to the One, however misguided that would be.

Fact is, politics in Arkansas is akin to a brutal match, two man walk in, one is left crawling out, and the other is being carried out.

In Arkansas, your considered an out-of-stater if your a Republican. The Democrats hold a Supermajority in the congress, and they control everything else in particular.

Besides, if Mike Huckabee was beloved, why would the Democrats nail his door shut on his office the first day he became Lt. Governor ?

Fact is, that is a cultural thing in Arkansas to be Democrat, even if your a conservative.

You also have to remember, that when Huckabee became Governor, it was off the heels of the infamous Whitewater scandal.
He was put in charge of the state that frankly, nobody wanted to live in.

He not only faced opposition from the Democrats, the Republicans pulled plenty of pranks on Mike Huckabee as well.

There you have it.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

Damn..

Lelouch (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 4:08PM EST (link)

I really got to remember, that when there is a break in the line, that your addressing somebody else, not me.

Sorry for budding in your business.

The only ones who can kill are those who are prepared to be killed.

Please, don't.

Diogenes314 (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 4:17PM EST (link)

For the record-not a Guliani supporter. But that was because I thought his chances of winning in the general were even slimmer than in the primaries (which I thought was unlikely). Do you have some evidence of him being dishonest or untrustworthy? He doesn’t seem to have the same kind of snake-in-the-grass/appeal to the clueless/cult of personality type of vibe as the Huckster did. And does.

Just curious in a barely interested kind of way.

No problem

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 4:28PM EST (link)

RS is a public forum. If you have a working account you’re free to butt in.

At least unless a moderator is moderating. Which I wasn’t doing there, heh.

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The Huckster is on Hugh Hewitt...

Diogenes314 (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 7:28PM EST (link)

…later this afternoon for anyone interested. David Dryer on now. BTW, I do like the title of the book. I saw the movie, Spike Lee wouldn’t recognize the right think if it punched him in the face either.

A Couple Things

adamsweb (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 8:15PM EST (link)

On #6:

“He is opposed to charter schools and vouchers.”

Regarding, charter schools, total BS and I quote Club for Growth, not exactly Huck’s biggest fans:

In 1997, he supported a proposal that would expand charter school eligibility to include public and private universities, governmental agencies, and nonprofit organizations (AP 02/12/97). He signed legislation in 1999 that allowed for as many as 12 charter schools to be established in Arkansas, an important achievement given the state’s onerous laws governing charter schools (Time 07/10/00).

Regarding School Vouchers, he didn’t support them because of opposition from religious school administrators who feared that vouchers would lead to government control of their schools. According to CNS News Huckabee supports tax credits:

In his interview with me, however, Huckabee did offer an alternative route to school choice for parents who don’t want to send their children to public schools. “I think that we ought to have tax credits for a family whose decision is to put their children in an alternative environment. And that is something that I would support,” he said. “It’s an empowering method to families.”

As for preventing abortion, Huckabee listed the bills he passed as follows:

I banned partial birth abortion, I required parental notification, I required that a woman give informed consent before having an abortion, I required that a woman be told her baby will experience pain and be given the option of anesthesia for her baby, I allowed a woman to have her baby and leave the child safely at a hospital, and I made it a crime for an unborn child to be injured or murdered during an attack on his mother.

Adam's Blog

Hopefully the Huckabee-Rudy divergence of 2008 will NOT be repeated

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 11:41PM EST (link)

I call on everyone NOT to support either in 2012.

Requirements:
(1) 3 legged conservative
(2) communication skills
(3) proven ability to take drive by hits and not cave
(4) willingness to educate voters (e.g. move the electorate, not merely pander to the electorate)

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!