California’s Forced Time Off Plan


OK, sounds good right?  As a money-saving measure, the CA state government is closing some offices a day or two a month and making the employees go unpaid for those days.  They’re calling it Furlough Friday or something catchy like that.  Remember now, it will be important later; CA’s state employees are unionized.

I searched high and low, though admittedly my Google skills aren’t the best, to find any record of the Swartznegger Administration having reached agreement with the unions to have those employees go unpaid for those days.  If somebody knows of one, please post a citation here and set me straight.  CA has a bazillion unions and a bazillion separate agreements, but the ones I could readily find all have a guaranteed workweek.  So, if there isn’t an explicit agreement with the union(s) to not work and get paid on those days, the CA government is violating its labor agreement(s) by furloughing those employees and not paying them.

Here’s what’s going to happen: some unions will demand bargaining about it and/or file unfair labor practice complaints alleging an unbargained unilateral change in the mandatory bargaining subjects of wages and hours.  It is a per se unfair labor practice, but the labor board may take the traditional NLRB line of deferring to the contractual grievance and arbitration process.  Other unions will go directly to the grievance route and proceed to arbitration.

When the matter proceeds to arbitration, all the union has to do is demonstrate that the agreement sets out a guaranteed work week and that its members were ready, willing, and able to work but the employer would not allow them to work.  The State of California will claim that it has no money to pay them.  The arbitrator will say the State should have thought about that possibility before it guaranteed the employees work or pay and rule for the union. 

So, today, it looks like the Governor is doing something decisive to both take on the unions and save money and it looks good on TV – there’s a laudatory story on Fox this AM, which is what brought this to mind.  A few months from now when nobody is looking, an arbitrator will rule in the union(s)’s favor and order back pay and maybe even penalties and interest to all the employees.  It will all be wrapped up in a settlement or judgement bill and funded by the Legislature when nobody is looking.

The Legislature could refuse to fund it and there’s really not much that the unions could do about that legally.  However, since the CA Legislature is a wholly owned subsidiary of the public employee unions, they won’t do that and will instead use it as an opportunity to do press releases about how stupid the Republican Governor was for letting this happen.


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Kind of like Government shutdowns in the Clinton-Gingrich era

David123 (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 11:18AM EST (link)

nt

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So the rest of Americas taxpayers will support the CA unions?

izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 11:34AM EST (link)

When will it stop? Something is going to have to give and it won’t be me. I can go on strike and quit paying taxes. Which I have done. I don’t have the money to pay my payroll tax for Jan. Am I supposed to charge it on a credit card? Or do the democratic plan and “forget” to pay them. It is really sad that the next check I get from a client will go to the Federal Government to pay down some of this TRILLION dollar boondoggle.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

Taxpayers somewhere will, either in CA

Achance (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 11:38AM EST (link)

or from a federal bailout. CA simply cannot go on much longer. It’s craziness will have to be federalized or the state will collapse. Since it is so big and so Democrat, the answer is undoubtedly federalization. Personlly, I’d rather cede it back to Mexico.

In Vino Veritas

I’d rather cede it back to Mexico

izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 11:44AM EST (link)

Isn’t it pretty much like Mexico until you reach the South Bay?

I think Texas and Mexico should join forces.

Texico – the drug gangs in Mexico can protect us from the terrorists.

Sick

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

WE WEREN'T MEXICO'S

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 9:34PM EST (link)

WE WERE INDEPENDENT UNTIL YOU YANKEES INVADED.

Get off my lawn.

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Just you wait

Thrhheggeegwc Jjtkylkfofud (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 10:31PM EST (link)

When California falls into the Pacific ocean, you’ll come crawling back to us “Yankees.” That’ll show you. Hrumph!

;)

 
 
 

You Don't Cede Land, Slick

IJB Saturday, February 7th at 1:09PM EST (link)

You push the occupiers out into the sea.

I don’t care if it’s CA, WA, MI, or New England – the goal is to take it *back*. Period.

Being a capitalist, my preference would be to

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 1:16PM EST (link)

sell CA, OR and WA to Mexico. And put in a mine field (Mr. Claymore is your friend!) to keep the current residents there. No immigration – especially to AZ – allowed.

No "Land for Peace", Bub! (nt)

IJB Saturday, February 7th at 1:22PM EST (link)

can't we just sell the residents and keep the land?

icbm (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 11:31PM EST (link)

I like that idea

Raven (Diary) Wednesday, February 11th at 11:37AM EST (link)

I Really like that idea…

“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36

 
 
 

I would prefer reverting CA to territory status so we can rape it for its resources

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 1:21PM EST (link)

and then insist they pass certain const amendments to re-gain statehood.

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Achance, teach me that song will you?

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 9:35PM EST (link)

How’s it go? Something about how I don’t wanna be reconstructed? :-)

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I'm a good ole Rebel/

Achance (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 10:45PM EST (link)

Now that is what I am/
And for this Yankee nation/
I do not give a damn.

I’m glad I fought against her/
I only wish we’d won/
and I ain’t aske no pardon/
for anything I done.

It goes on about how Three hundred thousand Yankees are dead in Souhern soil,

But I don’t much remember the words.

In Vino Veritas

Finally

Jack_Savage (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 11:53PM EST (link)

Something worth putting on my tombstone.

Among my favorite ironies:

Achance (Diary) Sunday, February 8th at 1:38AM EST (link)

The Georgia Tech “I’m a Rambling Wreck From Georgia Tech” fight song is to the same tune and the University of Georgia’s “Glory to Old Georgiq” is to the tune of the refrain of the Battle Hymn of the Republic. In my youth at least, we had a keen sense of whose vineyards they were bragging about trampling.

There’s a realy good Waylon Jennings version of “Good Ole Rebel;” put a shiver in your spine and a tear in your eye.

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I'm a good ol' Rebel

Ward_Off_Monkey Wednesday, February 11th at 9:20PM EST (link)

The words are from a Major James Randolph, he wrote the song in the late 1860s, being a Virginian member of General Stuart’s staff.

First published in 1914, the song expresses the feeling of the old CSA Veterans.

KING Edward VII, the Prince of Wales, heard it at a reception in London and called it “that fine American song with the cuss words in it.” :)

I’M A GOOD OL’ REBEL

O, I’m a good ol’ Rebel,
Now that’s just what I am,
For this Yankee Nation
I do not give a damn
I’m glad I fought again’ her
I only wish we’d won,
I ain’t asked any pardon
For anything I’ve done.

I hates the Yankee nation
And everything they do,
I hates the Declaration
Of Independence too;
I hates the glorious Union –
‘Tis dripping with our blood –
I hates their striped banner,
I fit it all I could.

I rode with Robert E. Lee
For three years, near about,
Got wounded in four places
And I starved at Point Lookout;
I cotch the rheumatism
A campin’ in the snow,
But I killed a chance of Yankees,
And I’d like to kill some mo’.

Three hundred thousand Yankees
Is stiff in Southern dust;
We got three hundred thousand
Before they conquered us;
They died of Southern fever
And Southern steel and shot,
I wish they was three million
Instead of what we got.

I can’t take up my musket
And fight ‘em now no more,
But I ain’t gonna love ‘em,
Now that is sarten sure;
And I don’t want no pardon
For what I was and am,
I won’t be reconstructed
And I do not give a damn.

Here’s a pretty good rendition:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-YAfHigPsC_s/im_a_good_ol_rebel/

“The government’s view of the economy can be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.” ~ Ronald Reagan

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I already leased some office space for our new Mexican venture...

speciallist (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 11:52AM EST (link)

Baja Fancy

and your Double wide trailer is ready for move-in….bring some ice

 

So in other words:

itrytobenice (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 12:32PM EST (link)

CA employees are getting some bonus holidays this years. Pretty good racket they’ve got going on there.

Proper grammar saves lives.

Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.


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Wonder how things will be this July 4th

beaming Saturday, February 7th at 12:59PM EST (link)

233 years after the first. I’m ready with pitchfork and torch.

 

We the people

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 1:01PM EST (link)

A…

While state employees are an easy target for the budget mess in California, the real bad actors are the citizens of the state.

We the sheepeople vote for all sorts of high speed trains, road infrastructure upgrades, school classroom size reductions, you name it, and that crud has to be paid for. Throw in how much CA pays for the illegal alien invasion, at least 5 Billion according to the uber Liberal LA Times, and we in CA are well and truly hosed.

Our CA Republican minority in the Assembly are hard at work, crafting a way to screw the tax payers with some sort of tax increase while trading/helping businesses by cutting out work place rules and other really pro business planks in exchange for those increases, but that’s another rant.

The real debate, or what should be the real debate, is one of limits. Everyone wants clean air and water, educated children, a humane social safety net and all the rest that taxes provide, but what are the limits of taxation that should be imposed on the citizens of the state to achieve those goals? Our CA Republican Assembly minority is pretty useless when it comes to having that discussion, so we who pay taxes are getting set to pay some more.

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The people of California should be fired! - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 1:06PM EST (link)

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Well Steve, like the man said

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 1:12PM EST (link)

you get the government you deserve.

My fondest hope is that CA (and a couple of other likeminded states – MI comes to mind) completely collapse in the very near future. That might serve as a lesson to us on a national basis. Might.

On This, You and I Agree MBecker

IJB Saturday, February 7th at 1:20PM EST (link)

The best thing that could possibly happen is if CA went bankrupt, and *wasn’t* bailed out.

Of course, with Slobama, Nan and Reid in there, the odds on that are pretty much nil (though, I’m hoping by the time that rolls around, the Feds will be so thick under it that they’ll be *incapable* of any kind of further bailouts).

But the best thing that could happen to states like CA, MI, NY & MA is if they financially collapsed. Declaring bankruptcy would get them all out from under all the union contracts and worthless welfare spending and would force real, permanent changes.

Keep your fingers crossed.

 
 

Too Bad You're Only Half Right, Steve

IJB Saturday, February 7th at 1:13PM EST (link)

You’re always so ready to throw the few Republicans in this state overboard, but the truth is *they’ve held the line*, at least so far.

And you expect them to “get their message out”? And *how* exactly do they do that, when the Media in this state is owned and run – lock, stock & barrel – by the Commies.

Nice try, Steve – why don’t you try *NOT* blaming the victim?!

For friggin’ *once*.

So now CA Republicans are "victims" huh.

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 1:24PM EST (link)

Have another cup of KoolAid chum.

Since when have CA Republicans EVER (well, at least since Reagan left office as Governor) tried to understand the political realities of the State and adopt a long term plan to take it back and change it’s direction? Hint: NEVER.

The CA Republicans are nothing more than lemmings (an advanced version of our National Party) who look to short term, single issue “solutions” that guarantee their minority status while ignoring long term, viable issues that they could use to begin to make CA competitive politically.

You guys (just like the National Party over the last few years under the “leadership” of GWB) have earned your place in the dark. Somebody should be looking for a match and a candle, but in reality you’re just happy it’s dark so nobody can see the pee stains on your pants.

Quit whining and DO something. You can start by figuring out that the enemy are Democrats.

Language....

IJB Saturday, February 7th at 1:45PM EST (link)

You’re not talking to a Kosite, or a “squish”. I’d request that you keep that in mind in the future.

And seeing as you have all the ideas, why don’t you tell us exactly what the CA Republicans should be doing differently?

I’m sure we’re all ears…

(And every Republican office holder (outside of Arnold) knows the Democrats are the enemy. Please…)

Stand for something...anything

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 2:03PM EST (link)

IJB

How about CA Republicans standing for something, anything, besides social issues like sex with the dead, who can legally go into a tanning bed, or even for that matter the CA Republican party platform planks that call for ending same sex partner benefits, child custody and adoption by gay couples. CA’s population is not all that socially conservative and the Republican party trying to pretend the state population is, by focusing on these sorts of issues instead of pocketbook issues has lead to the demise of the party outside of inland areas in my view.

I’ll take a return to Fiscal conservatism, law and order including dealing with illegal alien invasions over what the CA party has been focused on sense Pete Wilson left office.

As to who the enemy is, Pogo said it best….”We have met the enemy and they is Us”.

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IJB... Start with the basics.

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 8:20PM EST (link)

Like selling the idea of fiscal conservatism for instance.

How about selling the idea of reduced regulations on business – I understand that in order to start a manufacturing business in LA that as many as nine separate environmental quality boards must sign off on your business plan in order to open your doors.

How about working to establish a solid charter school program that will allow kids to opt out of the current disaster that is the CA public schools system.

How about taking on the state employee unions that have the state, cities/towns and counties by the short hairs.

How about addressing, at the local level – cities/towns and county level – the soon to explode fiscal time bomb called underfunded employee pensions. That’s a bomb that’s going to make the current $42B problem look like the good ole days because cities/counties get their money, by and large, from property taxes and thanks to Jarvis they can’t raise their property taxes over 1%. And, in case you haven’t noticed, CA property values are about 50% of what they were two years ago and you can expect them to drop another 15%+ in the next couple of years.

How about forgetting about social issues for a while. I’m part of the religious right your mother probably warned you about, but I also believe in winning by incrementalism and you’re not going to sell the electorate on banning abortion in the current political climate in CA. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a gay marriage amendment to the state constitution pass next time around. I’m not saying that CA Republicans should never address socially conservative concerns, I am saying that they have be a second priority. Fix the fundamental problems that are killing the state – fiscal irresponsibility, complicity with unions and general overreach of government – and then you can take on social issues.

And finally, I have absolutely no confidence that …every Republican office holder (outside of Arnold) knows the Democrats are the enemy. If you actually KNEW that you’d have been acting like it. It’s the same problem on the National stage. Republicans are driven to project “good motives” onto Democrats and they steadfastly refuse to admit, even among themselves, that Democrats are destroying the nation (or in your case the State) in the pure, raw pursuit of being able to wield political power over every institution and individual in the country (State). If you think it’s war act like it damn it.

 
 

Actually, Becker, we *are* victims

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 9:36PM EST (link)

If Roe were repealed, this state’s politics would probably change overnight.

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??? How so? nt

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 9:42PM EST (link)

The abortion debate would be less polarized

Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, February 8th at 11:21AM EST (link)

We could get some sensible limitations in place and get on to other issues. Now, there wouldn’t be as MANY sensible limitations as other states would have, but I don’t see how abortion could dominate elections the way it does here after the issue went back to the legislature.

Really, we’d probably settle it by ballot measures, and in practice elected officials wouldn’t matter at ALL anymore with respect to abortion.

But it all goes back to the courts. By taking away political compromise they’ve wrecked everything.

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55555 - nt

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Thanks Neil. Follow up question...

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, February 8th at 11:36AM EST (link)

since I’m basically ignorant about CA politics (I don’t much follow politics in Mexico either :-) )…

Have there been any ballot initiatives related to abortion restrictions, and if so, how did they do and why?

Thanks.

Some, but not many

Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, February 8th at 12:10PM EST (link)

There are some, but they aren’t frequent, probably because they have little chance of success in this climate. If you try anything then the left is well funded to fight it here.

Basically the front line of California’s abortion battle here is on the obviously reasonable issues of parental notification and consent. This area is where Simon ran on against Davis for example, which is a major lowering of goals for the pro-life movement even though some people here refer to that race as one of a hard-right platform unsuitable for the state.

But anyway, in 2008 we had Proposition 4, a waiting period with parental notification. It lost 52-48.

And wow, Ballotpedia’s coverage is excellent if it’s accurate. But note that Planned Parenthood itself dominated all donors on both sides. I don’t see them having as much money to throw around in a post-Roe and Casey environment, which would reduce their ability to raise money.

Sure, we’d still have the unions to tackle, but who doesn’t?

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since I’m basically ignorant about CA politics (I don’t much follow politics in Mexico either

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, February 10th at 8:38PM EST (link)

You left out the comma after ignorant. LOL

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 
 

No domination at all

SteveLA (Diary) Sunday, February 8th at 11:41AM EST (link)

Neil

The only elections abortion effect in CA are the Republican primaries. The much better organized and stronger base that demands hard Right candidates usually wins, and hard Right candidates go down to defeat come general election time because the Democrats are very effective at demonizing any pro-life candidate.

The coming Governor race will be an interesting contest on the R. side with Meg Whitman a business savvy candidate who is pro choice against Fiona (wrecker of the HP brand) and Bill Simon the Pro Life candidate. I won’t handicap the race right now, but it will be the usual R base against the rest of the party which is not good.

Domination, well yes but not the way I think you meant.

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I guess you didn't see Davis/Lungren and Davis/Simon? (nt)

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Or any Senate race in the Feinstein/Boxer era? (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, February 8th at 12:02PM EST (link)

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Neil, pls define for those of us who are ignorant.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, February 8th at 12:06PM EST (link)

We ran two consecutive pro-life Catholics and lost

Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, February 8th at 12:13PM EST (link)

Gray Davis seems like such a bland and terrible candidate, but against both Dan Lungren and Bill Simon he ran a barrage of television ads on abortion, er excuse me, “a woman’s right to choose.”

All a Democrat has to do is become a wind-up doll parroting that line, and the polarization kicks in, driving the Democrat to victory.

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No but I saw the recall

SteveLA (Diary) Sunday, February 8th at 12:11PM EST (link)

I was out of the country for 5 years, so I missed early 90′s races. But I did see and vote in the recall election.

Your guy, Tom McClintock was the bases guy, social and fiscal conservative.

The idiot I backed, the Girlyman, was a pro choice movie star. The movie star won, to much joy then, much annoyance now. I’d also point out that the Girlyman was anti Prop 8….

I’m not sure Tom Terrific would not be in the same fix today on the budget, as the fight would have come sooner and something would have happened to start the fight and win or loose that fight one way or the other, but would coulda, shoulda is view looking back is always 20/20 hindsight…..sigh.

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Not likely

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 10:10PM EST (link)

Neil,

The Republican base in CA can’t even get parental notification passed, what makes you think Roe being overturned and abortion being passed back to the state would change politics. The Republican party would still be irrelevant, they don’t stand for anything.

By the way, I’ve voted for every incremental abortion initiative that has come down the pike, because the changes are just that incremental, and yet every initiative on abortion still keeps failing.

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Your commie media owns the largest paper

Achance (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 1:51PM EST (link)

here and we seem to still be able to elect Republicans.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

The liberal, nanny state stuff is in the water

Achance (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 1:17PM EST (link)

there though. My in-laws are down there in a little farming town near Modesto. Superficially, they sound just like self-reliant country people who work at trades or some such, but once you begin to probe a bit, they fully expect the government to be in everything and if something occurs that they don’t like, their first impulse is to turn to government.

In Vino Veritas

It's a national disease

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 1:50PM EST (link)

A.

I’d assert that reliance on the government is a national disease, with a particular strain of same being seen in CA.

But then again, I’d ask you what the prescription drug benefit that President Bush and so many Republicans were so very very proud of was. Must have missed that part of the Constitution where prescriptions would be provided to senior citizens was talked about.

Where were the real conservatives who stood against that eruption of the disease?

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And now, it seems that the government owes everyone a job

Praying (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 6:06PM EST (link)

I thought that was a joke during the election, but apparently not. People are out of work, granted. And I know many people are doing everything they can to find jobs, and people ARE finding jobs. You don’t hear too much about that. All you hear is the rhetoric from Obama and Pelosi about how many hundreds of millions of Americans are going to lose their jobs, and how only the government can fix this. And more and more people are believing it.

The first time this… um… dysfunction? gained national attention was right after Hurricane Katrina. Remember the people who sat on their roofs, waiting for someone to come rescue them? Couldn’t even take care of themselves enough to not get stuck on the roof. This is what our government has created.

And it’s getting worse – they WANT it to get worse! Almost all of these (except card check, see below) started out as “good ideas” but like many ideas, there were unintended consequences. They want as many people as possible to be totally dependent on the government. Senior citizens – check, give ‘em SS, medicare, and Rx drug coverage. Minorities? Check. Give ‘em entitlement program after program. Make sure they think they are “victims”. Hard working business owners? Check – blame them for the current economic crisis. Give them card check so they will be taken over by the unions, keep their taxes high, do everything you can to make their businesses fail. Then they too will be totally dependent.

This fall I reread Orwell’s 1984. Next on my list is Atlas Shrugged.

No!!!11!1!!1!1! The Bilderbergers are coming

Re-reading Atlas Shrugged myself.

Achance (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 6:56PM EST (link)

Seemed appropriate to the times. First read it when I was living in a camper trailer with no hookups in Valdez, Alaska in ’76 or ’77. Making more money than any of us had any idea what to do with – even after sending mama’s share home – and nothing to spend it on but booze, drugs, and hookers. So, on a visit home to Anchorage I picked up several books that I “should” have read, Atlas Shrugged among them, to try to keep myself off the streets and out of the pool halls.

I’m only about a hundred pages into it and my overwhelming impression is that it would be the most remarkable young person who would make it through 25 pages these days. You simply have to know too much to comprehend much of it and you have to have an attention span that was formed before non-stop television and video games.

In Vino Veritas

Hey Art...

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 8:24PM EST (link)

OT, I’m reading John Jakes right now, just about done with “Charleston”. Any commentary on his stuff? You know a whole lot more about the South and CWish times than I and I’m interested in your take on his writing as to the historical flavor (not necessarily it’s absolute accuracy since it is fiction after all). Thanks.

Haven't read it, 'becker.

Achance (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 9:12PM EST (link)

The subject matter is controversial. The American myth is that the Revolution was won in Lexington and Concord; the Yankees wrote the myth after all. All Sothern history is a sojourn through slavery and degeneracy, didn’t you get the memo?

i might give it a read since you brought it up. I’m slogging my way through Atlas Shrugged right now, so I’ll need a break after that.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

Me too :)

JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Saturday, February 7th at 9:04PM EST (link)

I also read this book waaaaaaaaaay back in high school, repeatedly — could almost recite it, back then. Also The Fountainhead, We The Living, Anthem, The Virtue of Selfishness, and Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal.

I picked up a new copy two weeks ago, and wow — I’m stunned anew at how we are now LIVING this. Hard to believe it was written in 1957!

Next, I want to re-read Capitalism, then The New Left (if I can find a copy). More deja vu all over again, I bet.

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

 
 
 
 

I take a small offense to that

RepMom (Diary) Tuesday, February 10th at 8:19PM EST (link)

not like draw a sword or anything, but I also live in a small farming town near Modesto also and before we were onslaught by the throngs of people from the bay area looking for cheap housing (that are now getting foreclosed on regularly) we were not the “run to government first” types at all. In fact, when our town was flooded, locals were doing most of the helping and fixing…we would still be waiting (10 years later) for any kind of government help.

Maybe they live on the eastern side of our counties – us here on the West Side would rather do for ourselves, thank you…Our county pretty much considers us here amongst the goats and weeds (our former county ceo said that) and were are pretty much persona non grata – less tax base than the Turlock/Modesto area.

The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just. —-Abraham Lincoln

 
 
 

Is there no other way Art?....

Attack Mode (Diary) Tuesday, February 10th at 1:18PM EST (link)

Could Arnold get his State AG to start looking into some of the unions dealing s and engage in a little bit of political brinkmanship in order to back them down?

Is the legislature, or a loss via arbitration the only way to go about this?

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

Since our AG is Jerry Brown

RepMom (Diary) Tuesday, February 10th at 8:09PM EST (link)

I doubt Arnold will be able to get anything done through him…especially considering that Brown is running for Governor…

The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just. —-Abraham Lincoln

Thanks RepMom and Civil_Truth...

Attack Mode (Diary) Wednesday, February 11th at 9:14AM EST (link)

Too bad that the AG is a sellout crook….I feel sorry for the people of CA….I just wish there was someway this could go down differently. But I guess the old adage is true…you get the government that you deserve…maybe the people out there will finally wake up and stop electing crooks.

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 
 

Jerry Brown and principle cannot coexist in the same time zone - or the same sentence

civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, February 10th at 8:22PM EST (link)

He’s in bed with the unions, the idea of his turning on them is akin to that proverbial cold day in a very hot place!

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

 
 

Schwarzenegger says state worker layoffs looming

izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, February 11th at 10:11AM EST (link)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/10/california.budget.crisis/index.html

The Federal Government should not be far behind if they pass the stimulus. It would probably stimulate many Federal workers out of a job. Where will the money come from?

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

Ha! I can hear "The Terminator" jokes already.

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Wednesday, February 11th at 10:17AM EST (link)

If his budget wasn’t so bloated to begin with, he wouldn’t have to go back to his Hollywood days.

 

It is incredibly expensive to lay off employees,

Achance (Diary) Wednesday, February 11th at 10:47AM EST (link)

so a cash-strapped state has to be very careful with it. First some terminology; a layoff is when an employee is released from work and pay with an expectation for a time certain of returning to that job if the work should again be performed. A layoff does not reflect on the employee’s performance but rather is only indicative of work or funding going away. A termination or a dismissal is when an employee is released from work and pay with no expectation of returning to work and is usually for cause such as misconduct.

I only read labor agreements if I’m being paid to do so, so I’m not going to do a bunch of research, but most public sector labor agreements are pretty similar. The government has a right to lay them off but there are usually all sorts of procedures and encumberances and hefty notice requirements. If you get one process wrong some arbitrator is going to tell you that you violated the agreement and have to give all the laid off employees a free paid vacation, so you’d best do it right. Then, and this is the expensive part, those employees are all going to have accrued sick and annual leave or personal leave. Sick leave usually doesn’t have cash value, but annual or personal leave do. Some, most, of those employee will have hundreds of hours of accrued leave and you have to pay them off when you lay them off. If you’re not laying them off for a long enough period that the wage savings are greater than the pay off costs, it is a dead loss to lay them off; it costs more to lay them off than it does to keep them working. Most will also have accrued deferred compensation that has to be paid off, retirement contributions that can, and probably will, be cashed out. So, really unless you’re planning a permanent reduction in the size of the workforce, lay offs just aggravate you cash management problems and it takes a lot of planning and staging of the lay offs so that you actually have enough cash to make pay roll. This is why governments try to and unions vehemently resist using a furlough of a few days that doesn’t go all the way to a true lay off. Plus, in a government like CA’s where department heads are independent of the Governor and may even be of the other party, you can count on the department of labor and the AG to be looking over your shoulder for anything you might do wrong.

In Vino Veritas

And this is what is wrong with America

izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, February 11th at 10:57AM EST (link)

it is one thing to have employee protections but it just goes to far. This is why I shut my business down. I saw where it was going and determined I could make more money just doing the work myself. Now of course running a multi-billion dollar enterprise like a state is a different matter. Just because you are hired does not guarantee a job for life. If you cannot be fired because there is no money to pay you then that is socialism. I know unions are in bed with the democrats and now California is a prime example of what not to do. What is that old saying “You can’t fight city hall”? So I guess the citizens of California would rather just sign their paychecks over to state government? That is what it will come down to and when the stimulus passes it will be my son’s who will be signing over their paychecks to pay the crumbling infrastructure that Obama bought. I don’t think that will happen. A 2nd American revolution will be in swing before the note comes due.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 
 
 

The unions already took Schwarzenegger to court

Raven (Diary) Wednesday, February 11th at 11:35AM EST (link)

And lost.

“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36

Case cite, Raven?

Achance (Diary) Wednesday, February 11th at 11:43AM EST (link)

Usually these things don’t go to court, or at least not straight to court. They might have gone on whether or not the Gov. had a right to lay them off, which he undoubtedly does. In fact has a duty to lay them off if he doesn’t have the money in hand to pay them.

In Vino Veritas

I wasn't really paying enough attention at the time

Raven (Diary) Wednesday, February 11th at 12:08PM EST (link)

They mentioned it on the radio news a few weeks ago. Not sure if it was Fox or ABC. I’m not sure which station I was listening to that day.

“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36

Oh, and this didn'ty go "straight to court"

Raven (Diary) Wednesday, February 11th at 12:09PM EST (link)

Schwarzenegger has been fighting for this since the summer.

“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36

By "straight to court" I mean

Achance (Diary) Wednesday, February 11th at 12:19PM EST (link)

usually these disputes go to arbitration or to a labor board and anything that goes to court is just a review of that decision.

In Vino Veritas

 
 
 
 
 

Another reason California is in the dumps

izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, February 11th at 11:57AM EST (link)

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-me-octuplets11-2009feb11,0,4385245.story?track=rss

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.