My Take On Losing, (Or NOT), The Culture Wars! Or…We Lost?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!!


In the interests of full disclosure; a lot of my diaries begin with a reply to a Diary written by someone which becomes so long, with so many points that I move it and change it to become a full fledged essay. No one has elicited these replies from me more than Mike (gamecock) DeVine. As such, This Diary begins as a reply to his most recent post, “Cultural Battles Lost Despite, Not Because Of, Dobson And Reagan”

In particular, I was in the process of typing a reply agreeing with Mike’s basic premise in this statement:

Had other conservatives helped both before and after Dobson and Reagan entered the fray, and had the political spine to fire bureaucrats and “Bork” their judges been present (albeit based not on personal smears, but rather via objections to the unconstitutional Oath violating “living Constitution” interpretation mode), we would have fared better in the culture wars.

1994 came as a result of a systematic propaganda attack on churches and Christians by the Clinton Administration. There was a coalition that formed under the Republican banner between Second Amendment proponents, Christian Conservatives, property rights advocates, over taxed small business owners, First Amendment proponents etc. etc. who by and large are disinterested in politics and would rather be left alone to pursue their lives and exorcise their GOD given rights to “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness, (or better, “Property”). This was/is a disparate group who would be content to let Washington play its games so long as it left them alone and would have no use for each other and live by the axiom “live and let live”. As such, and as we all know, the Republican Party gained control of the House of Representatives for the first time in 20 years and the Senate for only the second time in the same period.

Then came the formation of the RMSP whose stated goals were to slow down and reverse the “rightward lurch” represented by the sweeping Republican victories of that election.

Never mind those victories came from championing basic conservative principles, Conservative Judeo Christian principles, property rights, fiscal discipline, an end to judicial tyranny, opposing gun control, funding for organizations like the National Endowment for the Arts and their funding for anti-Christian art projects, opposing the radical sex education agenda of Clinton’s Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders, opposing the radical environmentalists agenda and on and on.

The RMSP and their ilk have worked tirelessly from then on to bring our Party back to the North Eastern Establishment, Rockefeller Republican position of big government anti SoCon, Country Club (or whatever you wish to call it), Republicanism. The policies of Rockefeller, Eisenhower,  Nixon, Ford and so on.

What followed was a 10 year period where the Republican Party quietly worked to expand their power by expanding the very government they had promised to not only limit…but roll back in 1994. A period when all the groups who had worked so hard to get Republicans in a position to effect the change these groups wanted in order to get Big Brother off their backs, out of their way, and out of their lives were ignored and given the back of the Republican Leadership’s hands.to be fair…there were a lot of us who saw this happening but shrugged our shoulders because it was our guys doind it…but that’s what happened none the less.

Of course the do nothing moderate leadership of the Party had their excuse. We don’t have A Republican President until 2000 when the excuse became the lack of Republican Control in the Senate, (Never mind the deal cut by Trent Lot to “Share Power with the Democrats despite having the votes to send Herr Daschle packing).

Finally comes the 2004 elections When W decided he’d run a base election. The message was on winning the War on Terror, the dangers of big government and ending judicial tyranny. We turned out Churches and SoCons by emphasizing the need for Conservative Justices who look to the original intent of the founders in forming their opinions on Constitutional Law. Values Voters, property rights advocates, fiscal conservatives and hawks on the War on Terror set to work turning out the Republican base. There were events like Justice Sunday I, II, and III that educated Conservative Christians on the opportunity presented by the 2004 elections to forward the goals of Liberty by doing something that had never been done before. No Party in history so far as I know had ever won a second term for a President while simultaneously expanding the Party majorities in both houses of Congress. Not only that; Republicans had not had control of all three branches of government in 70 years. I don’t think anyone can legitimately state that 2004 was anything but a base election and that an appeal to SoCons and values voters. And I can’t see anyone disputing the result.

So, what was that result and the reaction of the RMSP and other “Moderates” in the Party?

I’ll never forget my shock at the kneejerk reaction of the usual suspects to those sweeping victories. At the very time that the press was full of stories about how the Democrats had lost in such a stunning way because they had so alienated “Values Voters” and would have to develop strategies to bring those voters back into the Democrat fold, our “Moderates” were engaged in a discussion on how terrible this was for the nation and how we were alienating the great middle in this country by allowing the “Extreme Right Wing” to have such influence within the Party.

As Ram Emanuel and George Sorros were out working to recruit social conservative candidates to challenge Republicans in Red States, John McCain, Tom Davis, Charlie Bass, John Danforth, and other left wing Republicans were busy using the RMSP to coordinate with groups like:

  1. Christy Todd Whitman’s Its My Party Too, (Now the Republican Leadership Conference)
  2. Republicans for Choice,
  3. Log Cabin Republicans
  4. The Freedom Project
  5. The RIPON Society
  6. Green GOP
  7. The Human Rights Campaign
  8. Humane USA PAC
  9. Leadership Encouraging Excellence PAC
  10. New America Foundation
  11. Planned Parenthood Republicans for Choice
  12. Rely On Your Beliefs
  13. Republicans for Environmental Protection America
  14. Republican Majority for Choice
  15. Republican Reformation/Republicans who care
  16. Republican Youth Majority
  17. Republicans for Environmental Protection
  18. Wish List
  19. Tuesday Group
  20. Senate Centrist Coalition
  21. And others I’ll be outing as I find them.

    the last two, The Tuesday Group PAC and the Senate Centrist Coalition are the groups in the House and Senate formed by Republican Members elected to those bodies who meet on a weekly basis to strategize how they are going to work to thwart the Republican Caucus in the House and Senate and help the Democrats advance their “Moderate agenda! They also work with the RMSP and use their PACs to support liberal candidates to run as Republicans and force the Caucus leftward.

    These groups worked for two years to help the Democrats stall W’s judicial nominees, pass the leftist environmental agenda and block drilling in ANWR. They worked to push the caucus leftward and supported every big government spending bill that came along. They were helped, of course, by President Bush refusing to use his veto pen since he didn’t need SoCons and Fiscal Conservatives to vote for him any more.

    They endlessly attacked the Social Conservatives who turned out to make history in 2004. We’ve had Charles Grassley investigating Christian Ministries and trying to enforce subpoenas of Christian organization’s financial records in a fishing expedition to discredit and destroy those ministries with no probable cause and no allegations that any crimes had been committed what so ever. We’ve had the IRS sending out letters sent to pastors under the Bush administration threatening pastors who dare to tell the truth about what we face as a nation from the pulpit. We’ve had Republican Leaders attack us endlessly browbeating us to shut up and get in line because “we need to expand the tent” and attract “moderates and independents”. We’ve been called “Purists” and “Jihadists” for daring to think the Party should stand for something and shouldn’t promise the electorate anything they have no intention of delivering.

    We had the future standard bearer for the Party putting his name on the most anti Constitutional attack on the first Amendment in history passed by a Republican Congress and Signed by a Republican President which was opposed by the conservatives in Congress passed by these “Moderates” in league with the big government loving Democrats. As a result of that, we’ve had the SEC fining conservative groups for funding candidates, get out the vote drives, voter education initiatives, and even going so far as to bring charges on a film company for advertising a documentary they had created because it was supposedly an “In Kind” contribution and was about a Democrat candidate for POTUS. The result? 2006 when we lost it all!

    Then there is the 2008 election. Starting with the Primaries we were presented with an openly social liberal candidate from NY, A Jonny come lately Governor from Mass with a 12 year record as a social liberal who magically converted to the social conservative side within months of announcing his candidacy and insisted he was a fiscal conservative despite bragging about his socialist health care system in Mass and promising a big government bailout of Detroit. Let’s not forget a socially conservative Governor who never saw a big government program he didn’t love and was fond of taxing the citizens of Arkansas to pay for it.

    Finally, after 2 years of the party tearing itself apart because of candidates who did not represent all the coalitions that won in 1994 and 2004, we end up nominating everyone’s last choice in the primaries and the enemy of anything conservative in the Republican Party. A War hero who destroyed the First Amendment, Advocated gun control legislation gave the Democrats cover in filibustering Bush’s Judicial Nominees, A member of the RMSP and the Ripon Society and 2007 recipient of the RMSP Chaffee Award, and on and on. We watched in horrer as he and our representatives raced to pass a $350 Billion Farm bill, (I wish we could go back to the days when they were only spending $350 Billion), and then a $750 Billion TARP Bill.

    Again, I’ve gone through all this to reply to my friend Mike (Gamcock) Devine’s excellent post on whether we’ve lost the Culture Wars. I encourage all here to click the link and read his post. You won’t be disappointed.

    His remark which I replied to above is the money quote. We’ve not lost the Culture war because we fought it and lost…1994 and 2004 were prime examples of that. Those two elections were largely driven from the bottom up by social Conservatives and the grass roots movement the Ivy League crowd finds so distasteful.

    I would add one other point before closing this. It’s time we as a party stopped referring to the Culture Wars as if it has meaning for Christian Conservatives only. The term “Culture Wars” IMHO refers to and effects every aspect of conservatism. The debate as to whether the Government has a right to seize property without just compensation is a cultural issue. The debate whether the Federal Government has the power to force state and local governments to take bailout or stimulus money so the Federal Government can use receipt of those funds as a pretext to dictate to those state and local governments what they will do is a social and cultural issue. Whether the Federal Government can take away your right to posses and bear arms is a cultural issue. Name the issue, excess spending, quotas in hiring, abortion on demand, confiscatory taxation, welfare and every single issue we’re dealing with that calls into question our Constitutional rights and responsibilities and involves the Federal Government infringing on those rights and liberties is a “Cultural” issue. It’s high time to come to the realization that we are cultural conservatives on our pet issues whatever faction we belong to and that when one aspect or faction of the conservative movement is attacked, we are all being attacked.

    We need to realize as one faction loses ground…the enemy of our republic penetrates deep enough to flank the other wings of the party and gains the field upon which we fight. I’ll surprise some of you by saying we need each faction and even the RMSP and their allies but we can not tolerate them when they work against us and if they refuse to be team players…in which case they must be sent packing!

    We’ve lost battles in the culture wars because our leadership refuses to take the field of battle. We’ve lost ground because as in “Brave Heart”, our Lords have marched us onto the field of battle and used us for their own self aggrandizement and as a way to live comfortably in the power they’ve amassed for themselves at our expense. All this only to ride off the field at the crucial moment when the battle is at it’s apex and their participation is all that’s needed in a final push to win the victory.

    We win when we fight on our ground and stand on conservative principles in the culture wars! When we compromise we lose! We can’t win if we don’t fight and we’ll never fight till we’ve thrown the bums out and replaced them with George Washingrons, US Grant’s, William T Shermans, George S Pattons and  “I SHALL RETURN” MacArthur’s who know that in a fight like we are engaged in, there is no alternative but to fight. There is no substitute for victory. That the very existence of our constitutional republic and the survival of our liberties depend on taking the field of battle, grabbing our ideological enemies by the throat and not letting them go until their breath is taken from them finally and irreversibly.

    We will not preserve this “last great hope of mankind on earth” until we’ve destroyed our ideological enemies completely and utterly and refuse to allow them one inch of ground! We shouldn’t be focusing on how we hold the line or what we need to do to slow them down. We shouldn’t tolerrate those who would appease them in the name of bipartisanship and expanding the big tent. We need to finall all make up our minds that each compromise we allow with our enemy brings us one step closer to the chains of bondage and WE MUST NOT QUIT WITOUT A FIGHT!!! We need to finally realize that this is a fight to the death and there is no substitute for the total destruction and utter annihilation of our enemies both inside and outside the party!

    That’s the lesson of Reagan vs the Soviet Union. That’s the lesson to be learned from 1980, 1994, and 2004. That’s the lesson going back to WWII when Chamberlain tried to reason with the unreasonable and traded away an entire people and an entire nation without a shot being fired in the name of “peace in our time”. Lest we all forget…the appeasement crowd led by Neville Chamberlin were still negotiating with Hitler and offering deals after he had destroyed Poland and finally resigned after the Blitzkrieg was unleashed upon France the Betherlands and Belgium. Let’s stop apologizing for who we are and stop supporting those who insist on apologizing for us! and above all…let’s stop appeasing the left and the MSM!

    In short…Right on Mike…let’s get to work and hold our leaders to account!



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amen, bravo, GC HIGHLY RECOMMENDS and more

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 7:17PM EST (link)

later…as usual!

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

LOL...of course you'd recommend it since you got me started...LOL nt

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 8:03PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

The odds were in your favor - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 8:06PM EST (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

Na...you da man nt

AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:37AM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

what is "rmsp"? - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 7:27AM EST (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

indeed...

Britcom (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 7:40AM EST (link)

Look here my friend:

http://www.republicanmainstreet.org/

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“The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, it is conformity.” – Rollo May

Is America a Democracy or a Republic?

Click here to check out my Blog.

I really wished you had warned me about that link

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 10:16AM EST (link)

almost lost breakfast!

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

lol..what?...didn't you like the 'Member Spotlight'?

speciallist (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:29PM EST (link)

top right corner….lol

That hurt!!!!

From ME to You (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 10:49AM EST (link)

I was surprised (NOT!!!) that both of my illustrious senators from my home state of Maine are members of that (self censored), (self censored again) group of socialist politicians!

What really hurts, though, is that they are the most conservative politicians in office that Maine can elect. The only way we could possibly elect a true conservative is if two, somewhat popular Democrat candidates ran for the same office and split the vote! That was how my hometown got its first Republican mayor in over 60 years!

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I had the same reaction. nt

Britcom (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 2:34PM EST (link)

“The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, it is conformity.” – Rollo May

Is America a Democracy or a Republic?

Click here to check out my Blog.

 

gross! I clicked it too, gag reflex initiated -nt

Doc Holliday (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 11:09AM EST (link)

nt

Molon Labe!

 
 
 

The Republican Main Street Partnership.

AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:00PM EST (link)

It was formed by John Danforth and Charlie Bass in 1994 in response to our victory then to bring the Party back to the center and away from the dangerous lurch toward the extreme right wing. They work on electing liberal republicans, strategize on how to defeat SoCon issues and advance spending bills. to give you an idea what they are about…each year they give out an award to the Republican most responsible for advancing the moderate/liberal agenda. It’s named after none other than Lincoln Chafee and it’s most prominent recipient a year or so ago was none other than John Sydney McCain. Its membership includes Arlen Specter, Susan Collins, and Olympia Snowe.

I hit them and have been beating up on them since last spring…it’s kind of funny because they’ve gotten some attention since then, (not sure if I’m responsible), and they’ve gone back and totally sanitized their web site of most of it’s more radical leftist agenda.

My most in depth piece on them is here:

[url=http://www.redstate.com/aceintx/2008/11/17/update-the-rmsp-a-liberal-insurgency-in-our/]Update: The RMSP, A Liberal Insurgency In Our Midst![/url]

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Sorry, Corrected Link about the RMSP

AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:01PM EST (link)

Update: The RMSP, A Liberal Insurgency In Our Midst!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Incredible diary, Ace! I hardly know what to say...

penguin2 (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 7:21PM EST (link)

It reminded me of the phrase “When in the course of human events…”

You mapped it out so well, showed us where we’ve been and how we got here.

I’m sure it will make it to the Recommended list, everyone should read it. They’ll probably be more eloquent than me in response!

Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. – Benjamin Franklin
When Good stands up to Evil, Evil blinks. – Vassar Bushmills

Conservative Education: Suggested Reading List

Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

 

I LINE MYSELF TO THIS ONE!!!!! ACE, LET'S DESTROY GC's DIARY. IT'S WAR ANYWAY.

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 7:29PM EST (link)

I’m just kidding.

Both are great diaries.

And I forgot.

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 7:31PM EST (link)

Both supports each other.

This diary truly expounds GC’s idea.

Thanks Rod...I didn't want to upstage GC but support his diary with my research nt

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 8:05PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

No upstaging. This diary is a twin of GC's work. The two should be read side-by-side. nt

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 11:37PM EST (link)

Not exactly twin.

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 11:43PM EST (link)

Maybe “conjoint” is more appropriate.

One seems incomplete without the other. GC’s diary should also be included in the Rec’d list beside this one. Both are great diaries.

 
 
 
 
 

this war needs to be waged in more arenas

pilgrim (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 7:46PM EST (link)

What I’m reading is a lot of wringing of hands and woe is us because of the actions or lack thereof of folks who reside in DC that we put there with our votes. This war needs to be fought in getting conservative teachers in grade school thru college and university level. This war needs to be fought in getting conservatives in motion pictures and TV series. This war needs to be fought in getting conservative reporters in major newspapers. This war needs to be fought in getting conservative leaders voted into unions management We tend to throw up our hands and walk away from too many institutions that are infested with leftist scum. We need to fight for our place in those institutions instead of just walking away from them.


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

That's a great long time strategy...we need to demand a fight out of our leadership in the short term!

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 8:07PM EST (link)

If they won’t fight then throw the bums out….we can’t afford to be complacent any more and we’re fools if we go to sleep and rely on them to fight for us!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

And so we fight-both short term and long term. nt

pilgrim (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 8:22PM EST (link)

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Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

Amen nt

AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:38AM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

I love throw the bums

antisocial (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:39AM EST (link)

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Obama Doctrine – Boot On The Throat
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What is to be done?
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No. You can’t – Moe Lane
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!

 
 

what can I say but 55555555555555 - bravo Pil' - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 8:07PM EST (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 

I agree, pilgrim, that the [culture] war needs to be fought in more arenas

ZootSuit (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:57AM EST (link)

But we seem to be withdrawing more and more. And by “we” I don’t mean the RINOs and such, I mean the (few of us) who are truly conservative.

One discouraging thing I noticed over the years is that conservatives have become automatic naysayers of higher education. While I have had my fill of egghead socialists — and trust me, I have had my share of arguments with socialists from “elite” schools and/or with Ph.D’s — too many conservatives just want to dismiss these “egghead socialists” as out of touch or whatever without confronting, on intellectual terms, their errors and idiocy.

For example, I have had quite a few conversations with conservatives who agreed with me that Obama is a socialist — and as I like to point out, I was one of the first people here on RedState to publicly condemn Obama as a socialist — but when you ask them, they could not tell you what socialism was. The problem with that is, these ignorant (and yes, ignorant is the correct word) often end up condemning the word “socialism” in theory even as the support and help implement it in actuality.

Truth be known, I think this is exactly what is happening.

To make a play on your signature quote from Ronald Reagan, it is getting to be: What is the difference between a Marxist, an anti-Marxist and a modern American conservative? A Marxist reads the books of Karl Marx, an anti-Marxist understands them, and a modern American conservative supports them even as he thinks he condemns them.

***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!

55555 nt

mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 2:19AM EST (link)
 
 

On the Liz Cheney post

Steph C (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 8:02PM EST (link)

mom2oneson said something about women having more guts than men these days… or maybe it was me agreeing with whatever it was she said.

I’m a mother and grandmother. There’s nothing I wouldn’t do to make sure they’re okay. People can push me pretty far before I’ll get angry enough to be anywhere near as mean as they are but harm or threaten to harm one of my kids and you’ll see a totally different person standing there snarling back at the person who dared.

The government has crossed that line and threatens harm to my children and grandchildren.

Let’s do this thing.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics

Yeah BABY!!!!

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 8:08PM EST (link)

My sentiments exactly!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

A-fricken-men 5 ∞ ...nt

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 8:15PM EST (link)

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 

Geez Ace. This is the best three diaries I've read in a long time. :>) nt

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 8:38PM EST (link)

LOL..to long for ya? nt

AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 2:03AM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Here's hoping you read the whole thing! nt

AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 2:04AM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 

We MUST NOT QUIT!!!

furious (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 9:29PM EST (link)

Nothing is over until WE DECIDE IT IS! Was is over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!? H*LL NO!!!

–furious

“I find your lack of faith disturbing.” — Darth Vader

 

Excellent narrative there; highly recommended

civil truth (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 10:42PM EST (link)

You tied a lot of history together in a way I haven’t really seen before.

I think there is a larger issue here that I’ve been wanting to write about for several months but can’t quite put it together. Hopefully this diary of yours will help me focus more.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

I've bneen chewing on a lot lately myself but haven't been able to put it together

AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:53AM EST (link)

GC got me started and it just poured out….there’s a lot more where this came from so let’s hope Mike get’s me going again because I can’t figure out how to get it started…of course you’re always capable of lighting a fire as well so get busy would ya?

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

GREAT diary Ace, BRAVO :clapping:!!!!...nt

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 11:02PM EST (link)

Superb, Ace, just superb!

TNJim (Diary) Saturday, April 25th at 11:20PM EST (link)

This compliments GC’s diary so well. I gave it a reco, so yours gets it, too. Like both of you, I’m tired of seeing the Republican party taken over by “moderates” who, more and more each day, put me in mind of liberal infiltrators.

Activism: What to do after the TEA party rally. Unified Patriots

 

Great diary, AceInTX, but I don't know if I *totally* agree

ZootSuit (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:38AM EST (link)

To me, the real problem isn’t the “RMSP” crowd and the “moderate.” To me, a much bigger problem is the so-called conservatives who vilify the RINOs in speech after speech but end up voting and governing like them in the end.

You are right when you write:

Then there is the 2008 election. Starting with the Primaries we were presented with an openly social liberal candidate from NY, A Johny come lately Governor from Mass with a 12 year record as a social liberal who magically converted to the social conservative side within months of announcing his candidacy and insisted he was a fiscal conservative despite bragging about his socialist health care system in Mass and promising a big government bailout of Detroit. Let’s not forget a socially conservative Governor who never saw a big government program he didn’t love and was fond of taxing the citizens of Arkansas to pay for it.

These liberals were the choice of the supposedly “conservative” major party in the United States. Wow!

Despite all our harrumphing and complaining about how open GOP primaries got us a “liberal” GOP nominee, do you realize that John S. McCain can legitimately claim to have been the second most conservative candidate in the 2008 primaries?

So since so many of us conservatives do not like John McCain (myself included), what would we have done if all the GOP primaries were closed?

Nominate someone even more liberal than John McCain?

I’m asking serious questions because I really want to know.

Indeed, we all (or at least, most of us, myself included) can claim that Fred Thompson was the most conservative GOP primary candidate but when he was actually in office, his voting record was remarkable similar to that of John McCain. In fact, it can well be argued that Fred Thompson’s singular achievement in the U.S. Senate was that he co-sponsored McCain/Feingold!

And he, Fred Thompson, is the conservative “hero” to many people here on RedState.

AceInTX, I agree with a lot of what you write but at this point I really don’t think the problems are with the John McCains, and the RINOs and the “Republican Main Streeters” and the like. The problem is with us so-called conservatives, that when push comes to shove, we really are not that conservative.

***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!

I can't say McCain was the second most conservative in the race...

AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 2:01AM EST (link)

IMHO he was the biggest crapweasel of the bunch and only got the nomination because each of the other candidates was weak on one or more legs of the stool and the majority of us who wouldn’t piss on McCain if he were on fire could come to as consensus on which leg of the stool we were going to cut of…so we ended up tirh a stump for a candidate!

That being said…This diary isn’t about McCain or the candidates…they’re just a small part of my point. It’s the whole party and the unwillingness of those we elect to fight the battles we elected them to fight!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

AceInTX, as normal, I think we agree

ZootSuit (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 2:22AM EST (link)

The only thing I would say is that, at this point, I am more upset with the so-called conservatives than I am with the “Main Streeters” and RINOs and the like. Because the sad truth of the matter is, the so-called conservatives are more often than not just as bad (and sometimes even worse) than the RINOs and “Main Streeters” than we all condemn. But for some reason, we let the so-called conservatives get away with it.

And that is the point with John McCain. I think we agree on just about everything about him, the only exception I can think of is that I do think the “Gang of 14″ deal was the best we could have come up with at the time (thanks to Bush’s cowardice and Frist’s incompetence) but that is an argument for another time. There is no great love lost with John McCain. But my thing is, of the GOP candidates who actually ran, aside from Fred Thompson, who was really all that more conservative than McCain?

And I think that question is relevant because if conservatives like you and I had our way, we may have ended up with a socially conservative governor (who I personally think is not the brightest bulb on the tree and is severely ethically challenged) who never met a big government program or tax increase that he didn’t like or a socially liberal governor (who also displayed an unfamiliarity with the truth) who was for socialist healthcare and auto bailouts before auto bailouts were cool.

And again, these were the “conservative” alternatives to McCain!

That, I think, is a big problem. And a big problem not with McCain but with us.

***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!

My thing is this zoot...each candidate was flawed on one issue...McCain was flawed on almost all of them

AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:10PM EST (link)

Again, he was the one person EVERYONE agreed on…no one liked him or would have ever voted for him. The only reason he one is the fact that we and the factions we all belonged to couldn’t or wouldn’t settle on a consensus candidate to stop him. I’m convinced Romney would have ultimately defeated him had he not cut a deal at GOPAC to step aside in exchange for the establishment’s backing in 12 or 16. I can’t substantiate or prove there was a deal made…but I’m sure it was based on my outside observations.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 

The 2008 primary season was non-transitive

civil truth (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 2:07AM EST (link)

To explicate: if we prefer C over D and we prefer B over C, then a transitive process would mean that we prefer B over C. And if A comes along and A is preferable to B, then A will also be preferable to C and to D.

Non-transitive means that these preference rankings are not sustained. One example is a circular preference: A is preferable to B and B is preferable to C, but C is preferable to A.

What happened is that the primary ended up as a series of pairings in which one got knocked off, and then the winner faced a new pairing. Somehow McCain didn’t get paired until the last round,

But I don’t think that he would have prevailed if he had been paired with some of the other candidates who got knocked out earlier.

For instance, would McCain have been a clear preference over Gulliani? I don’t want to start a heated debate, but I think that in that pairing, Gulliani would have prevailed. But of course, Gulliani lost out in other pairings to other candidates, who in turn lost out to McCain.

In other words, taking the five or six leading candidates, I don’t think we had a transitive preference ranking – which means that the sequence of pairing was critical. Unfortunately, McCain was the beneficiary of that sequence.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

civil truth, that is not the issue I am raising

ZootSuit (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 2:28AM EST (link)

I hear what you are saying — and I don’t necessarily disagree with it — but it is not the issue I am raising.

I am not questioning how McCain got the nomination. I am questioning the assumption that he was so much more liberal (and thus unacceptable) than the alternatives.

To use your example, perhaps if McCain was paired against Guiliani, Guiliani would have won. (That itself is debatable but for this, I will not argue the point.) My question is, was Guiliani more conservative than McCain?

Quite frankly, whatever else you can say about Guiliani, you can definitely make the argument that he is not more conservative than McCain. Indeed, I personally think John McCain is more conservative than Rudy Guiliani; especially in regards to “the culture wars.”

***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!

If you talk about three legs on the conservative stool

civil truth (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 3:05AM EST (link)

Just about all the major candidates were missing one or two legs (or at least had one or two legs that were substantially shorter than the other(s).

Which is where the transitivity issue arises – and why we had the kinds of disputes at RedState we did during the season, because all the major candidates were crippled by profession or by past record.

The most conservative candidates in terms of three-legged were probably Fred Thompson and Duncan Hunter, and for different (and valid) reasons, neither got anywhere in the primary season.

So going down the checklist, all the candidates had flaws in their conservatism. And the most conservative candidates didni’t get out of the gate.

However, you’re also missing the other part of the picture – which is one’s willingness and ability for fight for those conservative values you have and to prevail. Versus the compromise “bipartisan” approach that vitiates the outcome.

Which is why I paired Giuliani against McCain. On the specific checklist, Giuliani is certainly less conservative that McCain on the social leg, comparable on defense, and I’m not sure about fiscal/small government.

However, when you look at which of the two would have a better chance of getting his positions enacted into law, Giuliani is the better fighter and thus quite possibly preferable in terms of enacting conservative policies.

However, whether I’m specifially correct in my assessment is not key – what is key is that one needs to look not only at the positions but also look at effectiveness and getting the program done.

Sort of like the Biblical question about the two sons – who is the better son, the one who says he’s in agreement, or the one who gets the job done. For a polemicist, the positions are criical – but in a politician, though, the criterion is action – what gets done.

Of course, we’ve been cursed with too many Republican candidates who both are weak in their conservatism and ineffective is fighting for their beliefs. And if that’s you point, I certainly would agree.

But to get such candidates is going to require a rebuilding of the team. Unfortunately, by then we may already be 8 games behind in the standings.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

civil truth, you made my point

ZootSuit (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 7:49AM EST (link)

Just about all the major candidates were missing one or two legs (or at least had one or two legs that were substantially shorter than the other(s).

My question is, how did they get to be the major candidates in the first place?

The problem is, we made them so!

And quite frankly, among that lot and as much as we like to complain about him and even hate him, John McCain wasn’t so bad.

Again, I am in no way excusing John McCain. But I am saying that while we were all so busy haranguing John McCain, far too many of the so-called conservative Republicans that we were not complaining about were leading us down that primrose path of liberalism, too. Our problem as conservatives — collectively, as a movement, and unfortunately too many times as individuals — is that too often we excused those so-called conservatives who have been just as bad as and sometimes even worse than John McCain.

***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!

Agree, but what next?

civil truth (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 11:25AM EST (link)

This suggests that we need to focus more on what we need to accomplish and how to accomplish those goals rather than trust and rely on individuals to do that for us. A bit less on what they say (which can be pandering) and more on what they can do to achieve our goals. Rather than purity tests, accomplishment tests.

Just a thought to perhaps redirect us from a path that always seems to lead to disappointment.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

civil truth, maybe that's one of the things that makes the Tea Parties

janis (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:28PM EST (link)

so attractive and successful to date–the absence of established politicians as their focus. Most of us are sick to death of hearing what they say and then seeing what they do when it’s time for them to vote. For myself, I’m beyond tired at calling the office of one politico or another to ask for their views on X or Y issue, only to be told that the Senator or Rep. hasn’t said what his vote would be yet.

That’s the biggest giveaway to a politician who has no principles, or at least none that he wouldn’t sell out when it was expedient.

55555! nt

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 4:34PM EST (link)
 
 

WE didn't make them so...many of the front benchers sat out because of the Conventional wisdom

AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:26PM EST (link)

about this being a third bush term, and a bad atmosphere for Republicans…blah blah blah…

THAT is what my post is about. The powers that be in this party started this election cycle under the premise that Republicans were in trouble at all levels and decided to hunger down and wait for the sky to fall rather than going out and trying to change it. My archives are full of diaries from last year beating the snot out of Ensign, Tom Cole, Libby Dole and Mike Duncan and the rest of the crap weasels that couldn’t or wouldn’t say anything positive and spent the entire election telling the party we were doomed and they couldn’t be held responsible for the whipping we were about to undergo.

My biggest frustration right now is the same atmosphere eminating from the Washington establishment. 2010 is already a was…and it’s going to take a long time to come back…blah blah blah…we desperately need to clean house!!!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 

That's my take as well...

AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:18PM EST (link)

My rankings were

  1. Fred, (Though he never took off and I ended up backing Huckabee)
  2. Huckabee
  3. Romney
  4. the rest of the second tere
  5. Giuliani
  6. McCain dead last

Many others had would put Huckabee at the bottom of the pile just ahead of McCain with Romney ate the top. or Giuliani at the top, and on and on…the only consensus I saw here during the Primaries was am almost universal aversion to McCain who squeaked in by default!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Sorry Ace...but I *must* correct this...

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 11:22AM EST (link)

Fred, (Though he never took off and I ended up backing Huckabee)

I am sure you meant McCain and not Huckabee….not that supporting McCain made me happy…I assume Fred was just trying to do the right thing in a situation with very limited options available.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


No...I was a Huckabee Supporter...I was beaten about the head pretty roundly around here as a result...

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 11:49AM EST (link)

My preferences at the time…I had problems with every single one of them and settled on Huckabee not because I would have normally jumped on hi bandwagon…but because he was the lesser of 5 or 6 evils for me. My point is…McCain was my last choice as he was for probably 70% of us…but we all ended up with him because our objections to the other’s problem couldn’t be put aside.

As for Fred…he was my first choice and could have emerged as the consensus for us…I’m convinced of that…but he entered too late, didn’t work hard enough, and just didn’t take off.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

I see Ace...I missed that critical "I" the first time I read it...nt

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 10:43PM EST (link)

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


Huckabee was objectionable to me but slightly less so than the rest of them...

AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, April 28th at 11:48AM EST (link)

When Fred failed to gain traction, this election cycle was a doomed enterprise from then on…More so when McCain slipped in through the back door IMHO

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Let's Remember...

rcov092 (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 4:22AM EST (link)

while there is plenty of poison within, we are also under attack by a well funded cadre of (George Soros) interlopers seeking to drive a wedge between Republicans. Focusing on core principles defeats that strategy if we are clear in our intent.

They cannot impugn our motives if we are morally clear and consistent and that means within and without the party. We must call our Representatives to account, but not disparage them in a manner that serves the enemy. Call them out in local GOP committee meetings, call them out in executive session and let them know that the power flows up from the bottom and that all the lobbyist money in the world will not save them if they betray the values we want represented in the Congress.

Make this a merciless war againt the weak kneed and unprincipled within. Whenever we, or one of our own, is attacked in public, lets all rise up and stand by their side and let the enemy know that we will put differences aside and fight unified, BECAUSE we have enough internal discipline to bring our own pack into line in a dignified and effective manner. Let’s not support those that clearly committ to defeat thoe very clear first principles that we need to protect and defend, Drive them out internally, primary them and let them know we will replace them if need be, no matter how long they claim as service to the Party.

That goes for RNC leadership as well. The Committeee needs to step forward and stop being a rubber stamp of all things stupid. Either they lead or they should step out of the way for someone who will.

This should be a process that starts at the local REC level and bubbles up. Loacals hould assert their independence to letleadership know in no uncertain tersm that this is not about demographics or big tents or focus groups. It is about first principles.

“Not One Red Dime for the NRSC or NRCC till they stop trying to elect liberals”

rcov092, I respectfully but very adamantly disagree!

ZootSuit (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 8:11AM EST (link)

I think defended “our own” when attacked in public, regardless of why they were “attacked” is what got us in this mess in the first place. Indeed, I think we should have “attacked” our own in public more!

A perfect example is MediCare Part D. We should have shouted from the highest rooftops that such a travesty was not “conservative” and we should have publicly and mercilessly condemned George W. Bush and every Republican who supported it.

Conservatives did a great service to our country (and ourselves) when we stood up against McCain/Kennedy and Harriet Miers (although I fear that she would have made it to the High Court if it were not found that she donated something like $50 to a pro-abortion group thirty years ago, but that is another discussion). Too bad we could not have mustered up the courage to oppose other liberal travesties perpetuated by so-called conservatives like steel tariffs, “no child left behind,” the “K Street project,” and the like. Even bank bailouts and auto bailouts started under the last Republican Administration.

We, the conservative rank-and-file, need the courage and principles to say to the American people that failed liberal policies are still failed liberal policies even when enacted by so-called conservatives. And not just do it after that fact but do it while it is happening. For it is because we did not do that, we, this country and the conservative movement, are in the shape that we are in today.

***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!

55555 nt

mom2oneson (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:28PM EST (link)

For once I can say I agree 100% Zoot

AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:35PM EST (link)

I for one will never again drink the Cool aid for the party as I did for Bush the last eight years…and I will never again be browbeaten to vote for a squish for Pres…

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

We do agree, Ace!

ZootSuit (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 9:36PM EST (link)

The only thing I will say is that … well … they were all squishes. My thing is, I don’t think it is either healthy or productive for conservatives to aim all their “hate” at John McCain and the other RINOs when most of the so-called conservatives were just as bad.

***** Unrepentant African-American nationalist, Unapologetic African-American conservative!

 
 
 

Agree...that's why I included the list I did here because they not only work against our first principles and the Party by extension...

AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, April 26th at 1:32PM EST (link)

but they do so vocally and with glee using the same smears against the Party faithful used by the left

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

The Changing Definition of "Moderate Conservative": Liberals' m.o. to divide and conquer

A_Texan (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 1:46AM EST (link)

In the early 1990s, at least in the northeast, it was clear: All you needed to qualify as a “moderate” Republican or conservative was to embrace legalized abortion. You could favor the death penatly for twelve-year-olds or the abolition of the social security system, but you were still a “moderate”–an acceptable conservative so long as you could support “abortion rights” so much that you could find the right in the Constitution itself! But if you had the strange notion that human life before birth was entitled to legal protection, you were an extremist. This was the time and place that produced Mitt Romney (v.94), Rudy Giuliani (v.93), George Pataki (v.94–he had been pro-life before), and a whole list of “moderate” Republicans.

We pro-lifers were regularly told by liberals and “moderate” Republicans that we were the chief obstacle to Republicans’ success, that what was needed was for the party to expel the extremists or for the extremists to just recognize that their cause is lost, but to stick around and still vote Republican, because, after all, capital-gains-tax-cuts were so important.

In the past decade, something changed: new groups became the new “extreme” Republicans. Foreign-policy conservatives–those favoring actually winning in Afghanistan, were all grouped under a curious work “neo-conservative,” and identified as torture-loving, war-mongering chicken hawks. This group became the target of liberals’ anathema-recommendations, at least for a few years.

Now in recent weeks, it is fiscal conservatives that have been targeted–they are the kooks, the tea-bagging “extremist” weirdos. Only a decade ago, all they had to do to be acceptable was to put up some “abortion–YES!” signs at their rallies and they’d have been honored as “moderates,” but not today. Now you’re an extremist if you actually oppose doubling our national debt. Heck, a whole lot of allegedly “pro-life, pro-Obama” individuals are now especially honored citizens.

Lesson: liberals have routinely sought–and with some success–to divide and conquer the conservative coalition. Their favored tactic is NOT to attack all conservativism at once, to label all conservatives as “extremists.” Rather, they, a la Alinsky, seek to isolate one branch, and suggest, nay demand, that everyone else, including other conservatives, repudiate that branch as a condition of being received into the company of acceptable “moderate” citizens.

Conservatives–resist all attempts to divide and conquer. Not only will we all fall if one leg of the stool is cut off–but I guarantee that liberals will turn on a dime, redefine “moderate,” and come after your favored position very soon. In truth, a united conservative coalition CAN win an open, pitched battle with liberalism. We did in 2004, and we can, and must, do the same in 2010 and 2012.

Barack Obama: The most inexperienced, far-left candidate the Democratic Party has ever dared to nominate to be our President.

Very good point.

skorrent1 (Diary) Tuesday, April 28th at 2:03PM EST (link)

This was precisely the mistake that the DHS made with their “Right Wing Extremist” memo. By lumping all conservative positions into the “extreme” label at once DHS unified their opposition, at least for the moment.

 
 

Too Little Too Late

GreyCloak (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 6:20AM EST (link)

… and I refer to my post as much as the content. Who will bother to read this?

1994-2000: Great years for Republicans and conservatives. I even moved to Texas to rid myself of folks that wouldn’t let a smart white kid into a special PUBLIC Math and Science school, folks that taught my kids about Kwanza and The Dradl Song (hey, these are good things!), but did not allow a single Christmas Carol to be sung.

2000-2004: I voted for GW, even sent him money … but after six years of The Contract with America, my Congressfolk broke it … spending and re-election became the new Gods!.

By 2006, even my Texas Senator Cornyn was taking over $1 million from the trial lawyers … and he cost me, personally, about $50,000 … burying a piece of legislation that other Republicans had worked on for years! I asked him about it in person … his response was “Huh?” … he hadn’t a clue.

I would not wait for our current politicians to come around … when it comes to the question of God or Mammon, our current crop of Republicans are clearly on the side of Mammon.

Throw the Bums out...Republicans included...Reset with a fresh batch nt

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 8:21AM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

Excellent diary Ace, even though I don't know

Doc Holliday (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 11:07AM EST (link)

what the RMSP is lol.

Molon Labe!

I see my work here is not done where the RMSP is concerned!

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 12:27PM EST (link)

Man…I created such a stir with my first diary on them, I thought everyone know what the RMSP is!

Update: The Republican Main Street Partnership, A Liberal Insurgency In Our Midst

I hammered them last spring with the precursor to the post above and have referred to the thousands of times in thread posts ever since. They’ve been outed on several other posts here and in a couple periodicals since then. I don’t know if I was responsible for shining the light of day on them, but I’d like to think I was.

They’ve since sanitized their site as a result of the scrutiny because the original site was rabidly anti SoCon and to a lesser extent FisCon with plenty of hit pieces on our best and brightest.

BTW,

As I told GC above, They give an annual award for the Republicrat most responsible for advancing the Moderat/Liberal Republican Agenda. It’s named after none other than Lincoln Chaffee an it’s most prominent recipient is noe other than John Sydney McCain.

You should check out the groups I listed for yourself…you’ll learn a lot about what makes me tick and why I’m so militantly anti Moderate Republican!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Kowalski...RMSP History and reason for existing from their own Web Site

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 12:56PM EST (link)

RMSP History

The November 1994 mid-term elections were commonly referred to as the “Republican Revolution.” Given the great gains made by Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate, a group of moderate House Republicans began informal meetings to discuss ways to further a centrist, pragmatic Republican agenda — one that could accommodate bipartisan legislative results. At that time, there was great concern that a dramatic shift to the right was quickly approaching, given the new congressional leadership. The discussion group began to craft a moderate Republican agenda with a fiscally conservative background.

What began as a congressional discussion group started by Reps. Nancy Johnson, Steve Gunderson and Fred Upton has evolved into a national gathering of leaders from government, business and education who share a commitment to conservative, pragmatic approaches to business in a global context; to compassion in our communities and character in our national leaders.

Many of the original participants are now leaders of Main Street. The Chairman of the Board and original founder of the Partnership is former Rep. Amo Houghton of New York, who is the only former corporate CEO of a Fortune 500 company to have served in the House of Representatives. The past Chairman is John “Jock” McKernan, a former member of Congress, and two-term Governor of Maine. The other members of the Board of Directors can be found here.

Addressing a broad spectrum of issues, the Partnership attracts individuals interested in a thoughtful, centrist approach to Republican politics and demonstrates inclusion, respect, reason and compassion.

In the words of Gov. McKernan, the message of the Partnership is “one of quiet diplomacy, rather than wedge politics.”

But somehow I and Conservatives in General are intolerant and they are inclusive? Give ma a break!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Kowalski-Kowalski...The RMSP's tolerant take on the 2006 elections...big tent?

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 1:34PM EST (link)

Far Right Soley Responsible for Democratic Gains
Leadership Ignored Centrist Concerns,
Chose to Pursue Far Right’s Legislative Agenda

(Washington, D.C.) – “Tonight the American people made it clear that our party’s decision to ignore the middle of the American electorate was a disastrous one,” said Sarah Chamberlain Resnick, Executive Director of the Republican Main Street Partnership. “For the last two years centrist GOPers have warned the leadership of our party of the consequences of pushing a legislative agenda cow-towing to the far right in our party. Our warnings were ignored, and now our party is paying a devastating price.”

“Republican candidates all across the country were hit by Democratic ads attacking the GOP for failure to raise the minimum wage, failure to advance embryonic stem cell research, and failure to pass strong ethics and lobbying reform,” continued Resnick. “If leadership had listened to our centrists members, we could have taken issues like this off the table. Centrist Republicans in the House and Senate pushed all session for an increase in the minimum wage, for expanded embryonic stem cell research, and for real ethics and lobbying reform.”

“Ronald Reagan built a big tent party that attracted conservatives and moderates, Republicans and independents, and people from all across the country. In the last few years a small, but vocal minority, on the fringe of our party worked to destroy that big tent,” said Resnick. “The Democrats realized something our leadership forgot, stole a page out of our playbook, and recruited candidates across the ideological spectrum. This election isn’t a repudiation of the GOP, it’s a repudiation of a handful of zealots, and a reminder that you can not build a majority party without securing the middle of the American electorate.”

“What the extreme right of our party has worked to destroy – centrist Republicans will now step in and rebuild,” continued Resnick. “The Republican Main Street Partnership is committed to bringing back Ronald Reagan’s Republican Party. The extreme right has had their turn at the wheel and the results have proven devastating for our party and our country.”

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

Ace

Doc Holliday (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 2:54PM EST (link)

You said, “You should check out the groups I listed for yourself…you’ll learn a lot about what makes me tick and why I’m so militantly anti Moderate Republican!”

I am also anti-moderate. My issue, that I have been pushing for three years consistently, is that our Republican world is much larger than Socons and “moderates”. We let some bad Socons off too easily when we allow them to frame the party as Socon and moderates.

When our party was a winner, it focused on the ideas and ideals of Goldwater and Reagan. These ideas would not fit with many self-described Socons and would not fit with any moderates. In my old days, I would say Socons have lost their way and gone all big government. Today, Doc the great unifier says we have all lost our way, and we all need to go back to what made us great.

This is just like the Renaissance, when Europe lost it’s way, they went back and learned why they were once great. We need to go back to basics, liberty, pride in country, and small government. If we do that, moderate Repubs will just be a side show, we need a majority, and a majority will come with us under the banner of freedom.

Molon Labe!

Kowalski

Doc Holliday (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 2:58PM EST (link)

I have to still defend my position in the party or philosophy even though I have been stating it for three years, so don’t feel too bad about the RMSP. :) BTW, I thought they were some Canadian police group.

Molon Labe!

Doc...We keep butting heads on this because you insist on making it only about SoCons moderates...

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 6:55PM EST (link)

If you’ve read my posts and given them fair consideration you’ll have to admit that my issues go much deeper than that. As a prime example take a look at that list and the wide array of moderate groups represented…some are environmentally liberal, some are pro choice, some are pro gay marriage, almost all are ok with Big government so long as they are the ones running it. Most aren’t afraid to use big government to achieve the ends they desire.

I would also take issue with you on your seeming insistence in acting as if Reagan didn’t have SoCon issues front and center in his administration. He did and you can’t read any of his speeches and conclude he downplayed social issues if you are being fair and honest about it.

Finally, I wrote this to point out that we’re far from being a one issue party and most SoCons are much deeper than you and others would ever admit. I stunned someone a while back by listing all the philosophers that I look to as guides such as John Locke, Adam Smith, Ludwig von Mises, Voltaire, Montesquieu, Friedrich Hayek, and Milton Friedman, Edmund Burke, Tocqueville, Thomas Hobbes, Thomas Paine. Of all those individuals I’m most in line with Paine, Locke, Friedman and Burke. Many obviously have or had dissimilar views about certain subjects and i’ve struggled at times reconciling and assimilating some of their views into my own way of thinking…but I’m by and large an 18th century man where politics are concerned living in a 21st century world.

I just don’t fit into the box you and others keep trying to push me in to!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 
 

Ace- Iwas sure I recommended a few days ago when I first read your diary= Is it possible to have so many recommends that the whole list doesn't show? This diary deserves that.

Scope (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 4:30PM EST (link)

Have you ever thought of taking your articles on the road, so to speak. You should be syndicated.

Doc...We keep butting heads on this because you insist on making it only about SoCons against everyone vs moderates...

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 6:44PM EST (link)

if you’ve read my posts and given them fair consideration you’ll have to admit that my issues go much deeper than that. As a prime example take a look at that list and the wide array of moderate groups represented…some are environmental, so are pro choice, some are pro gay marriage, almost all are ok with Big government so long as they are the ones running it.

A would also take issue with you on your seeming insistence in acting as if Reagan didn’t have SoCon issues front and center in his administration. He did and you can’t read any of his speeches and conclude he downplayed social issues if you are being fair and honest about it.

Finally, I wrote this to point out that we’re far from being a one issue party and most SoCons are much deeper than you and others would ever admit. I stunned someone a while back by listing all the philosophers that I look to as guides such as John Locke, Adam Smith, Ludwig von Mises, Voltaire, Montesquieu, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, and Milton Friedman, Edmund Burke, Tocqueville, Thomas Hobbes, Thomas Paine. Of all those individuals I’m most in line with Paine, Locke, Friedman and Burke. Many obviously have or had dissimilar views about certain subjects and i’ve struggled at times reconciling and assimilating some of their views into my own way of thinking…but I’m by and large an 18th century man where politics are concerned living in a 21st century world.

I just don’t fit into the box you and others keep trying to push me in to!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

Ace- Iwas sure I recommended a few days ago when I first read your diary= Is it possible to have so many recommends that the whole list doesn't show? This diary deserves that.

Scope (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 4:30PM EST (link)

Have you ever thought of taking your articles on the road, so to speak. You should be syndicated.

I think it's a Red State Quirk...I have to click multiple times to Recommend diaries so I always make a point of staying with a post and clicking till my name finally shows up! nt

AceInTX (Diary) Monday, April 27th at 6:47PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

John McCain and Barack Obama PROVED we haven't lost.

jeffreywturner (Diary) Thursday, April 30th at 12:28AM EST (link)

We just got done with a Presidential election where BOTH of the major party candidates were pretending to be more socially conservative than they actually are. This should tell anyone where the country truly stands on these issues.

“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”