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Why won't the President meet with the Governor of Arizona?

I understand that aspects of the new Arizona immigration law are contraversial. I also understand that as a non-minority I might not fully appreciate how threatening some of the provisions in the law might seem. But it is also a fact that illegal immigration is threatening our national security, and Arizona is on the front line. From where I sit at least Governor Jan Brewer is attempting to do something to rectify the situation, not just turn a blind eye while uttering soothing politically-correct platitudes. You might think that any conversations about developing a coherant national immegration policy should include her–and is it that great a stretch to imagine that the President and the Director of Homeland Security would even look for an oppotunity to discuss and debate the Arizona legislation with Governor Brewer were she to visit Washington, D.C.?

Apparently the answer to that question is no.

I find this development particularly interesting since President Obama has made a virtue of his inclusive willingness to talk to anyone–be they the thuggish dictators of Venezuela or Iran, or even those “stupid” Cambridge police. Talking can’t hurt–as Mr. Obama said in reference to his openness to meeting with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, “As president of the United States, my job is to look out for the national security interests of this country…If it is in the United States’ interest to make certain that we can stabilize the situation and avoid further military confrontation and curb state sponsored terrorism they’ve been involved with, that’s something we should be willing to do.” In other words, even if you disagree with someone as I assume the President of the United States does with the President of Iran, if it is in our national security interests Mr. Obama will at least have a conversation.

But not with Governor Brewer. The President seems to find her actions so noxious that he won’t even find the time to talk to her to see if they can find some common ground from which they might confront this pressing national crisis together. I understand Mr. Obama is a busy man, but can’t he find twenty minutes next week to squeeze her in? Sure it might mean missing a few precious moments with Sir Paul McCartney, but in the interests of stablizing the situation on our southern border and avoiding further confrontation with a leader who should be a partner in this effort, the President might want to consider making the sacrifice.


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Get it right...

jsmiddleton4 Saturday, May 29th at 1:54PM EST (link)

“I also understand that as a non-minority I might not fully appreciate how threatening some of the provisions in the law might seem.”

I don’t expect CNN to get it right but here? Come on, pay attention to details.

There is nothing about the law that is threatening. The “threat” has been from the way the left has portrayed the law and the leftist media has sold the issue.

If you want to say “I can understand based on what people have been told about the law why some folks feel threatened…” ok. I agree.

There is nothing about the provisions of the law itself that are threatening to any ethnic group.

Wow, I guess it's "lets mince words and then freak out" day!

Amy Miller (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 2:39PM EST (link)

Cool your jets, JS.

I imagine if you were a minority who, for his whole life, had been fed progressive garbage and taught to automatically look for racism around every corner, you might find the new law a little threatening too, if only because your 15 undocumented cousins might be affected by it.

Note the use of the word “seem,” and get your head on straight.

“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.

huge difference

jsmiddleton4 Saturday, May 29th at 2:49PM EST (link)

“Cool your jets, JS.”

Jets don’t need cooling.

There is a huge difference between the law has issues AND the media and left’s sales job is driving the animosity. If you don’t see the difference, well what can I say.

Don't talk to me like I'm a moron, JS

Amy Miller (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 2:56PM EST (link)

Because I most certainly am not. I have read the law, and have found nothing that is overtly threatening within. However, people who have been indoctrinated by race-baiting garbage their whole life might read things into it that aren’t there. In that way, it might seem threatening, but it’s not at all. That’s all I’m saying.

Cut the WHARGARBL.

“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.

So?

jsmiddleton4 Sunday, May 30th at 10:42AM EST (link)

“Because I most certainly am not. I have read the law,”

Does Red State support the open borders amnesty crowd who are complaining that the law is unfair and there is some “reason” to be upset?

Again if someone wants to say, “based on the media and the left’s sales job regarding this law it is understandable that folks are upset…” ok, I agree.

If someone wants to make an excuse for those folks being upset as if there is reason in the law and based on the law those folks have an understandable reason to be upset, well that would be wrong.

There is nothing in the law that justifies any ethnic group’s negative reaction.

Any attempt to imply there is by asking us to at least see how some folks might be upset about the law is misguided.

Asking the proverbial “us” to at least see how some parts of the law can cause people to be upset is bogus.

Yes or no?

Or do you want to read you are being treated like a “moron” in every nook and cranny of the universe?

 
 
 

Exactly.

Diogenes314 (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 2:58PM EST (link)

If we lived in a world where Hispanics (or most of the electorate for that matter) were aware that Cesar Chavez was The Original Minuteman instead of being deluged by anti-American La Raza propaganda, this wouldn’t be an issue. The Party of Pelosi has a political stake in race-baiting -which trumps the economy and national security any day.

Okay, for most of them a smile from Michael Moore trumps the economy and national security any day, but the point still stands.

 
 

Follow me closely here, because this is complex

Academic Elephant (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 6:13PM EST (link)

What I said was not that the law *was* threatening to minorities, I said it *might seem* threatening. The idea was that I, as author, was considering there might be other perpsectives on the issue than my own. The idea was to set up a scenario that would contrast with the President’s, since he seems unable to see any side of the issue but his own.

Sorry if that was confusing.

not confusing

jsmiddleton4 Sunday, May 30th at 10:44AM EST (link)

Your point is not confusing. It is WRONG.

There is nothing in the law that might seem threatening.

There is plenty the left and the open borders crowd are doing to invent “threatening”. There however is nothing in the law that is in any way threatening.

You are confusing "is" with "seem". "Seem" has to do with

davesinsanantonio (Diary) Tuesday, June 1st at 8:21AM EST (link)

perception, and “is” has to with reality.
Some people, mostly of the left, think that perception is more important than reality. Some will even say, “perception is reality”, because perceptions will cause us to act or react in certain ways.

So, although the law “is” one thing, to some people it may “seem” to be another.

The fact that you may understand that the law is what it is does not negate that to others is may “seem” to be something else. To deny that some people may read into the law what is not there is also denying reality on your part. To say “facts are facts” as if that will convince people who do not want to be convinced, denies the “fact” that some people will not accept some “facts” as reality. Yes, they are delusional. But for you to say they can’t be delusional is itself delusional.

So, stop being delusional. No matter what the law is, some people will make it “seem” to be something else.

 
 
 
 

Arizona joins Honduras as personal non grata

civil truth (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 1:54PM EST (link)

along with the citizens of Mermphis, TN.

Others here can come with other examples.

The common denominators seem to be that he does not talk with those whom 1) he thinks he can bully and intimidate into obeying his dictates, or 2) they aren’t part of his voting constituency..

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

That's "...persona non grata" -nt-

civil truth (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 1:55PM EST (link)

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

LOL I didn't catch that till you fessed up

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 3:42PM EST (link)

But to address the substance. That was really cute when the State Department cancelled the visas of the only people south of the Rio Grande who follow the law and care about the liberty of their citizens.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 
 
 

What a feckless, cowardly person we have as President

WarEagle01 (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 2:13PM EST (link)

God help us.

“A wise, doughy leg with rich tingly experiences will always reach better conclusions than will a more tanned, muscular leg that hasn’t felt those thrills.” –Chris Matthews’ Leg

“The alternative to the awful extremity of abortion is the indispensable joy of introducing this flawed world to someone who might make it better.”–John Hayward (AKA Dr. Zero)

 

ACLU, SEIU, Muslim Soc. calling shots at DOJ-Rep. Steve King

katesmith (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 2:31PM EST (link)

Obama’s action against Arizona will be a ‘cut and paste’ of the ACLU class action suit filed May 17 per US Rep. Steve King of Iowa. Per King’s news release yesterday, “The ACLU, SEIU and the Muslim American Society are calling the shots at the Justice Department.” It wouldn’t matter if all 50 governors met with Obama.

 

I'll bet he'd make time for...

Amy Miller (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 2:41PM EST (link)

…popping bottles all night with Calderon.

Oh wait…

“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.

 

The proper question is

JamesSmith130 Saturday, May 29th at 2:50PM EST (link)

why the heck does the esteemed Governor of Arizona even want to meet the current occupant of the White House?

“Islam is a violent–I was going to say religion–but it’s not a religion. It’s a political system. It’s a violent political system bent on the overthrow of governments of the world and world domination.”- Pat Robertson

Bingo! nt

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 3:20PM EST (link)

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

 
 

Beccause...

rabidcaveman (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 3:20PM EST (link)

If Jan Brewer wants to meet with Obama, then it shows just how willing she is, to explain to him, how bad things are over there. This is the typical reaction of any person with a conservative bent. We believe that explaining ourselves, instead of using words like “racist”, like libs do, is a better way to do things. I’ve read the law too, and being a non-minority, I found nothing inherently scary, ie: cops breaking down doors, hauling children away in the middle of the night. This is what Obama, and our dumbocratic buddies want you to believe.
Lies, lies, lies…

 

I continue to be astonished

Loren Heal (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 3:21PM EST (link)

that a law like Arizona’s is even required, rather than being cooked into the system by its very design.

Police, during the normal function of their duties, are always looking for things that don’t belong where they are. A door ajar, a car parked where it shouldn’t be, someone walking down the street dragging a corpse.

And when they stop someone for traffic, they first have to see if the car is stolen or if the registered driver is dangerous. Someone driving on a stolen identity or unregistered vehicle raises suspicion of either common criminality or immigration problems.

So if police, during the normal function of their duties, find someone who appears to be an illegal alien, what should they do, if not turn them over to the feds for processing?


Join the Concord Project, and follow @lheal, if you dare.

 

As an Arizonan

skat Saturday, May 29th at 3:35PM EST (link)

I also resent the inference that Hispanics have any reason to feel threatened by the law. Hispanics will benefit more than other Arizonans from the new law since they are more endangered by illegals than us whiteys. Many, many Hispanic Arizonans support the bill. I understand the author’s attempt at empathy, but, in my opinion, that misrepresents the views of many Arizonans and contributes to resentment. Education regarding the benefits to Hispanics not pandering to their “fears” is the answer.

Do we really have to go through this again?

Amy Miller (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 4:50PM EST (link)

See top thread.

“I’m a conservative, I’m a textualist, I’m an originalist, but I’m not a nut.”
~Scalia, J.

Yep

skat Saturday, May 29th at 7:00PM EST (link)

Gee, Amy – I think we do! Since for whatever reason people seem to believe that Arizona Hispanics are completely against the law. I didn’t realize that no one was allowed to post an opinion that differed from yours.
You don’t like being treated like a “moron”, don’t blame you, so maybe you shouldn’t treat others like they’re morons – see your posts.

So who do you resent exactly?

Diogenes314 (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 7:15PM EST (link)

I also resent the inference that Hispanics have any reason to feel threatened by the law.

It seems that you and JS are the only ones making said inference. Most of us actually understood what the writer was talking about-and he implied no such thing. And who here at RS has stated that “Arizona Hispanics are completely against the law”?

But for the record, thanks for letting everyone know that the law isn’t a menace to Hispanics and that some of them support it. Seriously.

Does it still get hot in Arizona, BTW?

5 - exactly. [nt]

Bill S (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 7:46PM EST (link)

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 

Yep

aesthete (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 7:47PM EST (link)

I’m not really a fan of the bill, but it’d be pretty tough to get 70% approval without at least some Hispanics being in support of it.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 

How about

skat Saturday, May 29th at 10:39PM EST (link)

the fact the “controversial” bill might make Hispanics feel threatened. Why even concede that the bill is “controversial”? That is the story line being put out by the liberals. I think most Arizonans are angry and defensive over the misrepresentations, boycotts, etc

I’m not Hispanic, but I do know many Hispanics believe this bill is in their best interest as well as America’s. I will admit “insulted” might be a bit much, but I honestly don’t believe Hispanics, even illegals, feel “threatened” by the law. That is the script to generate opposition to the bill. If they are afraid, why are they out protesting in downtown Phoenix? If you are following the debate, you must be aware the national media is certainly reporting Hispanic opposition, fear, etc, but nothing concerning Hispanics supporting the bill.

I agree that propaganda and brain-washing educations will color people’s perception of the bill; however, most people still put self-interest first. Hispanics are both selfish and smart enough, just like the rest of us, to see that if they are here legally, this bill benefits them. If you think it’s beneficial to promote the storyline that Hispanics feel threatened go ahead – you’re just playing into the opposition’s hands.

While you may be aware of all the facts, there may, possibly, be some who aren’t as well informed as you are.

It’s interesting you resort to childishness. I defer to your vast knowledge – you appear to be an expert on the subject.

 
 
 
 
 

Napolitano won't -she's got her own immigration law issue now

tngal (Diary) Saturday, May 29th at 5:29PM EST (link)

Unfortunately for her, the Sec of Homeland Security has learned that the the Supreme Court has been asked to overturn an immigration enforcement law the Napolitano signed off on when she was Arizona’s gov.

The law is not as broad as the new one. It deals more with workers/hiring/ employers aspect. She wasn’t fond of it but she signed it, and now it apparently is making its way to ‘The Nine”.

It probably won’t touch J.N. who will distance herself far away from this.

 

That's a pretty clear statement....

jsmiddleton4 Sunday, May 30th at 10:54AM EST (link)

“I understand that aspects of the new Arizona immigration law are contraversial. I also understand that as a non-minority I might not fully appreciate how threatening some of the provisions in the law might seem.”

Sorry but that is a pretty clear and very wrong statement.

The law is not controversial and there is nothing in it to “fully appreciate” that justifies feeling threatened.

What the left has done in its sales job and intentionally misrepresenting the law, stirring up anger to drive the left’s agenda, create voter blocks, etc., is the problem, it is 100% the problem and there is nothing to “understand” about the law that justifies the organized and divisive activity of the left. The left’s activity is understood not by looking at SB1070. The left’s activity is understood by looking at the open border/amnesty crowd AND the left trying to create a voter block.

So again I find myself wondering just what Red State’s position is on this matter? Is Red State’s position there is something in SB1070 that warrants the reaction to it, something we need to “understand” that connects the reaction to SB1070 and SB1070?

Or is SB1070 a good law and the reaction to it is about the left’s agenda and not about the law in anyway?

jsimpleton4....

Diogenes314 (Diary) Tuesday, June 1st at 8:55AM EST (link)

You should quit while you’re behind.

Seriously.

Diogenes... js4 is now officially jszero.

mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, June 1st at 9:12AM EST (link)

He got gacked yesterday.

I guess the advise was a day late...

Diogenes314 (Diary) Tuesday, June 1st at 9:19AM EST (link)

Probably wouldn’t have made any difference anyway though.

 
 
 
 

Obummer's calendar is clear today....

jiminga Tuesday, June 1st at 8:45AM EST (link)

now that the Israeli PM has cancelled. But The Great One probably needs a nap after his busy weekend away.

 

Brewer & Obama

clarencedebarrows Tuesday, June 1st at 6:03PM EST (link)

So Obama doesn’t have time to talk to Governor Brewer and you consider that a bad thing? I think Brewer’s way ahead of the game. We all know Obama doesn’t want to hear from anyone but his minions about what’s going on in America. Brewer is working to clarify, Obama’s working to confuse. She doesn’t need that.

 

"Don't Worry, B.O.B.'s Here"

myron_j_poltroonian Tuesday, June 1st at 6:41PM EST (link)

To paraphrase the wonderful, compassionate women regulars on “The View”, “What is it with Democrat women [in charge of federal agencies] named Janet?”. Note to one and all: It’s Illegal Alien. In law and in fact. (To paraphrase the most famous line from the movie “Treasure of the Sierra Madre”: “¿Passporto’s? ¡We doan’ need no stinking passporta’s!”) Anyway: “Don’t Worry, Bob’s here!” That was the punch line from a rather memorable commercial for a temp agency from a few years ago. I took that line, applied it to illegal immigration and came up with the following tongue in cheek essay: “Don’t worry, B.O.B.’s here!” “B.O.B.” stands for “Bag limit? Or Bounty?” (If Bounty, “Dead or Alive?”) It went on from there. Unfortunately, it’s lost somewhere in the old, real old computer it was created on. You, however, I believe, get the idea. Of course, the “progressives” who read it were “outraged, simply outraged” by it. I saw this reaction as a good sign, since they usually are by the truth. I also was saddened by the realization that “A Modest Proposal”, or something similar, could not be published in todays world of “Politically Correct, New Speak”. I have also suggested that we fire up the nation’s “Mothball Fleets”, work out a suitable deal with say, Argentina’s Terra del Fuego, or Singapore, or maybe Somalia, to serve as debarkation point(s) and have Mexico (or whatever country of origin applies) pay us a barrel of oil a day (or week, or month) for each and every day an illegal is here. These ships would be convoyed all the way with US Navy protection on training exercises in the area(s) involved. Another suggestion I’ve made over the years was to clear a ten to twenty five mile wide swath along our southern border – salt water to salt water – and turn this strip of land into a live fire, combat training range subject to continuous, unannounced live fire exercises. From small arms to howitzers, aerial bombardment to shore batteries, booby traps to bouncing betty’s. 24 hours a day, everyday of the year, there will be continual and unpredictable live fire exercises and armed patrols, aided by UAV’s (unmanned aerial vehicles) equipped with electro-optical/infrared sensors, with standing orders to interdict all attempts to go through, under, around or over this combat training ground and intercept all trespassers. Then, when convenient, remove them to a staging area to be subjected to a biometrical scan and entered into a national database, then unceremoniously taken to the nearest border crossing and sent packing immediately. Oh, yes. It should be called the General “Black Jack” Pershing Military Reservation.