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		<title>By: jayburd</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/10/29/the-internet-is-a-frikkin-valuable-thing/#comment-4372</link>
		<dc:creator>jayburd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>coud be eliminated by software companies i.e. automatic updates etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>coud be eliminated by software companies i.e. automatic updates etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/10/29/the-internet-is-a-frikkin-valuable-thing/#comment-4371</link>
		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, must have pushed the wrong button...</description>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/10/29/the-internet-is-a-frikkin-valuable-thing/#comment-4370</link>
		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>illuminating and I appreciate the time and effort you put into it.

I believe most people&#039;s concern is the kind of nefarious censorship you describe towards the end of your post.  Frankly, I wouldn&#039;t mind paying a little more as long as the rates are being dictated by the market and not the gubmint.  Except for defense and other essential services, I don&#039;t see why the gubmint should be involved in the commercial side of the net at all.

It&#039;s fairly analogous to the dilemma we have in Alabama of needing to re-write  our Constitution.  The old one is full of racist language and out-dated crap and truly needs a re-write.  However, conservatives are afraid that if it&#039;s attempted, it will open up a can of worms and what comes out will be full of leftist canards and socialists nostrums which got included by hook or crook.

The same goes for the internet.  Liberals are now shocked, shocked to discover that porn can be found on the internet.  So naturally, guardians of traditional morality that they are, they want the power to &quot;control&quot; such content.  However, since they have not given a hoot in hell about porn in other media, indeed, they have championed it (falsely of course) as being protected by the first amendment, it&#039;s not much of a stretch to believe they have ulterior motives for wanting control. 

Like stifling the free wheeling debate which often shows them for the rank charlatans they are, like curbing the avg Joe&#039;s ability to fact check their propaganda a la Dan Rather&#039;s doctored documents and generally regain the power to shape the debate to their liking.  Until the advent of the net, these clowns had virtually total control of mass electronic media since the fifties and they really didn&#039;t like having to share the limelight or the influence with a bunch of bloggers in pajamas.

This is the reason we cannot let them lull everyone asleep with claims that only  technical changes are at issue or that it&#039;s too complex for the avg citizen to understand so just let them handle the details.  It is so much more than that.

&quot;The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.&quot;   --  Thomas Jefferson (also attributed variously to other authors)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>illuminating and I appreciate the time and effort you put into it.</p>
<p>I believe most people&#8217;s concern is the kind of nefarious censorship you describe towards the end of your post.  Frankly, I wouldn&#8217;t mind paying a little more as long as the rates are being dictated by the market and not the gubmint.  Except for defense and other essential services, I don&#8217;t see why the gubmint should be involved in the commercial side of the net at all.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fairly analogous to the dilemma we have in Alabama of needing to re-write  our Constitution.  The old one is full of racist language and out-dated crap and truly needs a re-write.  However, conservatives are afraid that if it&#8217;s attempted, it will open up a can of worms and what comes out will be full of leftist canards and socialists nostrums which got included by hook or crook.</p>
<p>The same goes for the internet.  Liberals are now shocked, shocked to discover that porn can be found on the internet.  So naturally, guardians of traditional morality that they are, they want the power to &#8220;control&#8221; such content.  However, since they have not given a hoot in hell about porn in other media, indeed, they have championed it (falsely of course) as being protected by the first amendment, it&#8217;s not much of a stretch to believe they have ulterior motives for wanting control. </p>
<p>Like stifling the free wheeling debate which often shows them for the rank charlatans they are, like curbing the avg Joe&#8217;s ability to fact check their propaganda a la Dan Rather&#8217;s doctored documents and generally regain the power to shape the debate to their liking.  Until the advent of the net, these clowns had virtually total control of mass electronic media since the fifties and they really didn&#8217;t like having to share the limelight or the influence with a bunch of bloggers in pajamas.</p>
<p>This is the reason we cannot let them lull everyone asleep with claims that only  technical changes are at issue or that it&#8217;s too complex for the avg citizen to understand so just let them handle the details.  It is so much more than that.</p>
<p>&#8220;The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.&#8221;   &#8212;  Thomas Jefferson (also attributed variously to other authors)</p>
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		<title>By: rivahmitch</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/10/29/the-internet-is-a-frikkin-valuable-thing/#comment-4369</link>
		<dc:creator>rivahmitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This problem really involves two competing sets of interests: The interests of the Internet user to access informationand resources he/she wants and the companies providing infrastructure to leverage their economic gain by controlling or influencing (and charging for) content which they may control of choose.  

It becomes challenging because the Internet is a sort of &quot;commons&quot; to which most users buy &quot;access&quot; (at a particular data rate) and expect their use (within that rate) to be unlimited. In general, however, the price of access does not cover the full use of the perceived level of access purchased. Hence, most internet offerings specify that users will receive &quot;up to&quot; a certain data rate with the level actually received dependent on such things as the number and type of users accessing the commons at any given time. The issue becomes even more convoluted because different providers own different pieces of the networks used when email is sent or web sites accessed or data exchanged and the technology used is NOT as simple as the old point-to-point connection of the old phone company (which allowed end to end control of the communication. Sorry... that&#039;s probably more information than most of you want or need.

Personally, I&#039;m not sure whether I favor &quot;Net Neutrality&quot; or not. On the one hand, it does seem likely to diminish the willingness of telecommunications firms to invest in infrastructure if they can&#039;t leverage their ROI by controlling and getting some profit from the content users access. OTOH, I definitely don&#039;t want the information/content or users I am able to access controlled (whether by denial of access or slowing of transfer rates by) either a private company (say AT&amp;T) or a government-owned PTT (say BT or any other national company). 

I lack sufficiently Solomonic wisdom to have a solution but, hopefully, my post will shed a bit of light on what really is a complex issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This problem really involves two competing sets of interests: The interests of the Internet user to access informationand resources he/she wants and the companies providing infrastructure to leverage their economic gain by controlling or influencing (and charging for) content which they may control of choose.  </p>
<p>It becomes challenging because the Internet is a sort of &#8220;commons&#8221; to which most users buy &#8220;access&#8221; (at a particular data rate) and expect their use (within that rate) to be unlimited. In general, however, the price of access does not cover the full use of the perceived level of access purchased. Hence, most internet offerings specify that users will receive &#8220;up to&#8221; a certain data rate with the level actually received dependent on such things as the number and type of users accessing the commons at any given time. The issue becomes even more convoluted because different providers own different pieces of the networks used when email is sent or web sites accessed or data exchanged and the technology used is NOT as simple as the old point-to-point connection of the old phone company (which allowed end to end control of the communication. Sorry&#8230; that&#8217;s probably more information than most of you want or need.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m not sure whether I favor &#8220;Net Neutrality&#8221; or not. On the one hand, it does seem likely to diminish the willingness of telecommunications firms to invest in infrastructure if they can&#8217;t leverage their ROI by controlling and getting some profit from the content users access. OTOH, I definitely don&#8217;t want the information/content or users I am able to access controlled (whether by denial of access or slowing of transfer rates by) either a private company (say AT&amp;T) or a government-owned PTT (say BT or any other national company). </p>
<p>I lack sufficiently Solomonic wisdom to have a solution but, hopefully, my post will shed a bit of light on what really is a complex issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/10/29/the-internet-is-a-frikkin-valuable-thing/#comment-4368</link>
		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>www.ChuckDeVore.com</description>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/10/29/the-internet-is-a-frikkin-valuable-thing/#comment-4367</link>
		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We need to acknowledge that the world wide web and the internet cannot be forever a sphere apart.  The world wide web cannot be forever the wild, wild, west.. the online world will begin to be more and more regulated.&quot; 
------ Cara Carleton &quot;Carly&quot; Fiorina 


And this babe was the TOP ECONOMIC ADVISOR to John McCain in 2008. 

www.Chuck Devore.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We need to acknowledge that the world wide web and the internet cannot be forever a sphere apart.  The world wide web cannot be forever the wild, wild, west.. the online world will begin to be more and more regulated.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212; Cara Carleton &#8220;Carly&#8221; Fiorina </p>
<p>And this babe was the TOP ECONOMIC ADVISOR to John McCain in 2008. </p>
<p>www.Chuck Devore.com</p>
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		<title>By: lowndes</title>
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		<dc:creator>lowndes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Money talks, simple as</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money talks, simple as</p>
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		<title>By: melvinwinter</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/10/29/the-internet-is-a-frikkin-valuable-thing/#comment-4365</link>
		<dc:creator>melvinwinter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 03:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/10/obama-convention-delegates-to.html</description>
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		<title>By: proudgop</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/10/29/the-internet-is-a-frikkin-valuable-thing/#comment-4364</link>
		<dc:creator>proudgop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/29/AR2009102904597.html

supposedly the ethics committee is investigating 30 current congress people and the report somehow made it to the washington post

so who are 30 congress people?  I can think of a lot</description>
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<p>supposedly the ethics committee is investigating 30 current congress people and the report somehow made it to the washington post</p>
<p>so who are 30 congress people?  I can think of a lot</p>
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		<title>By: Scope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe people like Genachowski et all were actually drafted long ago, and, the donations they brought in were part of a long term plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe people like Genachowski et all were actually drafted long ago, and, the donations they brought in were part of a long term plan.</p>
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		<title>By: mfarmer</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/10/29/the-internet-is-a-frikkin-valuable-thing/#comment-4362</link>
		<dc:creator>mfarmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that there is a split on net neutrality in the nerd community, but if these radicals screw up the internet, making the nerds mad might be Obama&#039;s Waterloo rather than healthcare reform implosion.

You get an army of nerds mad at you and it&#039;s all over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that there is a split on net neutrality in the nerd community, but if these radicals screw up the internet, making the nerds mad might be Obama&#8217;s Waterloo rather than healthcare reform implosion.</p>
<p>You get an army of nerds mad at you and it&#8217;s all over.</p>
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		<title>By: USNJIMRET</title>
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		<dc:creator>USNJIMRET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who knew that he really meant that his intentions were transparent?
Kind of how &quot;change&quot; clearly meant one thing to him, and anything his followers wanted it to for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knew that he really meant that his intentions were transparent?<br />
Kind of how &#8220;change&#8221; clearly meant one thing to him, and anything his followers wanted it to for them.</p>
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