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	<title>Comments on: Whereas The House Has No Honor &#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: WilliamR</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/10/07/whereas-the-house-has-no-honor/#comment-4236</link>
		<dc:creator>WilliamR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is called Due Process! When Rangel is disciplined in the ethics committee or convicted in a court of law  then things will be different. Till then all these emotional calls for someone to step down are pointless.  Tom Delay had his career ruined by a political DA in Austin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is called Due Process! When Rangel is disciplined in the ethics committee or convicted in a court of law  then things will be different. Till then all these emotional calls for someone to step down are pointless.  Tom Delay had his career ruined by a political DA in Austin.</p>
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		<title>By: sccrenny</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/10/07/whereas-the-house-has-no-honor/#comment-4186</link>
		<dc:creator>sccrenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>approach. Maybe a mandatory retirement age of 65? (You know 6 senate terms is 36 years, right?) In any event, the ideal situation would be a more open system for good challengers to move into position to provide a real choice for replacing incumbents.

Hmmm.... maybe adjust the primary system such that each additional term requires a higher percentage of the vote. 50% first term, 55% second term, 60% third term...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>approach. Maybe a mandatory retirement age of 65? (You know 6 senate terms is 36 years, right?) In any event, the ideal situation would be a more open system for good challengers to move into position to provide a real choice for replacing incumbents.</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;. maybe adjust the primary system such that each additional term requires a higher percentage of the vote. 50% first term, 55% second term, 60% third term&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: yoyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>yoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just that each Congressman/Senator should be scared for their job, always.

However, I do believe that there should be some sort of Term Limit.  It is too easy to have retarded legislation pushed through by &quot;Representatives&quot; that have been there about 20 years too long.  This would alleviate the Lobbyist hold over the House, considering that the Reps are only there for a few terms (say 6, max.), and guarantee a fresh look at National Security, Tax Code, Housing, etc.

The Senate, being the deliberate body of Congress, has a slower process by nature, and could literally &quot;wait out&quot; an extreme [right or left] push by the House, but 6 terms is more than enough for any one Senator.  Byrd and Rockefeller have both out lived their purpose.  Heck, Rockefeller even runs campaign adds out of state in getting elected.  [If you want, I will try to find where I found that before.] 

Maybe a required &quot;2 cycle moratorium&quot; between each 6 term section would work.

I dunno.  Don&#039;t ask me.  I just work here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just that each Congressman/Senator should be scared for their job, always.</p>
<p>However, I do believe that there should be some sort of Term Limit.  It is too easy to have retarded legislation pushed through by &#8220;Representatives&#8221; that have been there about 20 years too long.  This would alleviate the Lobbyist hold over the House, considering that the Reps are only there for a few terms (say 6, max.), and guarantee a fresh look at National Security, Tax Code, Housing, etc.</p>
<p>The Senate, being the deliberate body of Congress, has a slower process by nature, and could literally &#8220;wait out&#8221; an extreme [right or left] push by the House, but 6 terms is more than enough for any one Senator.  Byrd and Rockefeller have both out lived their purpose.  Heck, Rockefeller even runs campaign adds out of state in getting elected.  [If you want, I will try to find where I found that before.] </p>
<p>Maybe a required &#8220;2 cycle moratorium&#8221; between each 6 term section would work.</p>
<p>I dunno.  Don&#8217;t ask me.  I just work here.</p>
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		<title>By: sccrenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>sccrenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>knee-jerked and responded inappropriately. Actually I agree that it would be nice if we had a better alternative for even the best of our congresspeople running to keep them honest. However term limits, as appealing as they are, have several drawbacks which lead me to oppose them.

The short argument is that term limits usurp the power of the ballot box. If you happen to have a Jim Demint representing you (as I do), it would be a shame not to be able to reelect him. I can only pray that &quot;Goober&quot; Graham has a strong challenger his next turn at bat...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>knee-jerked and responded inappropriately. Actually I agree that it would be nice if we had a better alternative for even the best of our congresspeople running to keep them honest. However term limits, as appealing as they are, have several drawbacks which lead me to oppose them.</p>
<p>The short argument is that term limits usurp the power of the ballot box. If you happen to have a Jim Demint representing you (as I do), it would be a shame not to be able to reelect him. I can only pray that &#8220;Goober&#8221; Graham has a strong challenger his next turn at bat&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse V</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/10/07/whereas-the-house-has-no-honor/#comment-4167</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its time to tar and feather every one of those thieving, conniving, lying you know whats and run them all out of town on a rail!

Remember these words Patriots of America.

Its time to start over.

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature&#039;s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its time to tar and feather every one of those thieving, conniving, lying you know whats and run them all out of town on a rail!</p>
<p>Remember these words Patriots of America.</p>
<p>Its time to start over.</p>
<p>When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature&#8217;s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.</p>
<p>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. &#8211;Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.</p>
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		<title>By: dudette</title>
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		<dc:creator>dudette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remmeber him from college days as an 18 year old whiz kid conservative with Young Americans for Freedom who could out debate anyone. I wish he was my congressman unfortunately i have Schumer Happens! and Gillibrand. R. is a principled conservative and i respect him. He votes the right way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remmeber him from college days as an 18 year old whiz kid conservative with Young Americans for Freedom who could out debate anyone. I wish he was my congressman unfortunately i have Schumer Happens! and Gillibrand. R. is a principled conservative and i respect him. He votes the right way.</p>
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		<title>By: yoyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>yoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you are not for competition?  Once you are &#039;in&#039;, you stay?

Good or not, you should still be challenged.

And &quot;thank you&quot; Aaron for the link. I was in a hurry and forgot to post it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you are not for competition?  Once you are &#8216;in&#8217;, you stay?</p>
<p>Good or not, you should still be challenged.</p>
<p>And &#8220;thank you&#8221; Aaron for the link. I was in a hurry and forgot to post it.</p>
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		<title>By: yoyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>yoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I will still disagree with you.

Congress should NOT be a career, by any stretch.  Not the House, not the Senate [or the SC either, for that matter].  Else, you have persons kingdom building and becoming corrupt from the Lobbyist Freebees and becoming too powerful for just one person (or party).  

[Think: Duke Cunningham, Barney Frank, the Torch, Nancy, Harry, Charlie, et al.]

I am just saying that they should all have a Serious Challenge every 2 or 6 years.  Every Time.  Because, no matter how well you do your job, someone can always do it better.  And that better person should be the one doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I will still disagree with you.</p>
<p>Congress should NOT be a career, by any stretch.  Not the House, not the Senate [or the SC either, for that matter].  Else, you have persons kingdom building and becoming corrupt from the Lobbyist Freebees and becoming too powerful for just one person (or party).  </p>
<p>[Think: Duke Cunningham, Barney Frank, the Torch, Nancy, Harry, Charlie, et al.]</p>
<p>I am just saying that they should all have a Serious Challenge every 2 or 6 years.  Every Time.  Because, no matter how well you do your job, someone can always do it better.  And that better person should be the one doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb Howe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb Howe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 05:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was that every R voting present was on the committee. I&#039;ll check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was that every R voting present was on the committee. I&#8217;ll check.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Haynes</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/10/07/whereas-the-house-has-no-honor/#comment-4162</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct in saying that all the members of the Ethics committee voted present (with the exception of Zoe Lofgren, who didn&#039;t vote).

But there are only 5 D&#039;s and 5 R&#039;s on the committee.  You still had 16 R&#039;s vote present or not vote (9 of which were present votes--the not votings could have been absent).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct in saying that all the members of the Ethics committee voted present (with the exception of Zoe Lofgren, who didn&#8217;t vote).</p>
<p>But there are only 5 D&#8217;s and 5 R&#8217;s on the committee.  You still had 16 R&#8217;s vote present or not vote (9 of which were present votes&#8211;the not votings could have been absent).</p>
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		<title>By: $peciallist</title>
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		<dc:creator>$peciallist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 01:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we must stay after Rangel....he is profoundly corrupt

he won&#039;t be able to hide it much longer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we must stay after Rangel&#8230;.he is profoundly corrupt</p>
<p>he won&#8217;t be able to hide it much longer</p>
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		<title>By: Erick Brockway</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/10/07/whereas-the-house-has-no-honor/#comment-4160</link>
		<dc:creator>Erick Brockway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.surfdana.com/profiles/blogs/upholding-the-us-constitution&quot;&gt;reasoning&lt;/a&gt; (good or bad you decide);

&lt;blockquote&gt;Tom Delay and others had their careers destroyed because of accusations and not convictions of wrongdoing. Whether it’s Charlie Rangel or Tom Delay or Joe McDade (who had to give up a lifetime of seniority because he was indicted by a politically-motivated prosecutor. . . later to be found totally innocent of all charges, but the damage was done, his career was over), they should not be punished until they are found guilty of a crime. Punishing a leader who has only been accused of wrongdoing (not convicted) is a great injustice and does not serve our country well. Just ask Tom Delay. The Democrats played this game because unlike us they could not win on the issues, it’s time to set a standard and quit playing these games. Unlike them, we can set the standards and maintain our principles and win on the issues because we’re on the side of the American people and the Constitution. Our Founding Fathers would be rolling in their graves if they knew that holding office now means you can be punished before you were proven guilty.

I was elected to uphold the U.S. Constitution and that’s what I aim to do, whether it’s politically expedient or not. As patriots, we should be paying more attention to the U.S. Constitution rather than a politically-motivated lynch mob. All Americans should be presumed innocent until proven guilty, including elected officials. This is America right?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

via Twitter response to our own &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/DanaRohrabacher/status/4692496308&quot;&gt;@redinbleustate&lt;/a&gt;.

Did anyone ask them to vote to remove Rangel from Congress? What am I missing?
If he&#039;s under investigation for ethics violations and won&#039;t step down, what&#039;s wrong with having him removed from that House chairmanship?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His <a href="http://www.surfdana.com/profiles/blogs/upholding-the-us-constitution">reasoning</a> (good or bad you decide);</p>
<blockquote><p>Tom Delay and others had their careers destroyed because of accusations and not convictions of wrongdoing. Whether it’s Charlie Rangel or Tom Delay or Joe McDade (who had to give up a lifetime of seniority because he was indicted by a politically-motivated prosecutor. . . later to be found totally innocent of all charges, but the damage was done, his career was over), they should not be punished until they are found guilty of a crime. Punishing a leader who has only been accused of wrongdoing (not convicted) is a great injustice and does not serve our country well. Just ask Tom Delay. The Democrats played this game because unlike us they could not win on the issues, it’s time to set a standard and quit playing these games. Unlike them, we can set the standards and maintain our principles and win on the issues because we’re on the side of the American people and the Constitution. Our Founding Fathers would be rolling in their graves if they knew that holding office now means you can be punished before you were proven guilty.</p>
<p>I was elected to uphold the U.S. Constitution and that’s what I aim to do, whether it’s politically expedient or not. As patriots, we should be paying more attention to the U.S. Constitution rather than a politically-motivated lynch mob. All Americans should be presumed innocent until proven guilty, including elected officials. This is America right?</p></blockquote>
<p>via Twitter response to our own <a href="http://twitter.com/DanaRohrabacher/status/4692496308">@redinbleustate</a>.</p>
<p>Did anyone ask them to vote to remove Rangel from Congress? What am I missing?<br />
If he&#8217;s under investigation for ethics violations and won&#8217;t step down, what&#8217;s wrong with having him removed from that House chairmanship?</p>
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		<title>By: Steph C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And rightly so.</description>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I also hope you understand when people start calling for large scale attacks on our caucus, that somebody&#039;s got to challenge that idea around here. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I also hope you understand when people start calling for large scale attacks on our caucus, that somebody&#8217;s got to challenge that idea around here. <img src='http://www.redstate.com/absentee/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Caleb Howe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb Howe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.. is on the committee to which the matter was sent to die. It is their standard practice to vote present in such a case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.. is on the committee to which the matter was sent to die. It is their standard practice to vote present in such a case.</p>
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		<title>By: Steph C</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/10/07/whereas-the-house-has-no-honor/#comment-4156</link>
		<dc:creator>Steph C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll swear it&#039;s porn. Wouldn&#039;t really be a lie since the Dems would probably call it that even knowing what the words say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll swear it&#8217;s porn. Wouldn&#8217;t really be a lie since the Dems would probably call it that even knowing what the words say.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Young steps down from all his committee chairmanships, and so does Rangel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Young steps down from all his committee chairmanships, and so does Rangel.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one wasn&#039;t close. 

Presents and NVs matter only when there&#039;s Democrat defection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one wasn&#8217;t close. </p>
<p>Presents and NVs matter only when there&#8217;s Democrat defection.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Mullins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Mullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>voted present on this. That&#039;s a crying shame, but I wouldn&#039;t try to primary him over that. Really ,we need to have a much stronger tone with the Republicans in the House and put the fear of god in them quick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>voted present on this. That&#8217;s a crying shame, but I wouldn&#8217;t try to primary him over that. Really ,we need to have a much stronger tone with the Republicans in the House and put the fear of god in them quick.</p>
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		<title>By: Steph C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least partially. 

I just get so frustrated because you never know which little enclave is going to cave at any given time and I popped off with that frustration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least partially. </p>
<p>I just get so frustrated because you never know which little enclave is going to cave at any given time and I popped off with that frustration.</p>
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