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		<title>By: Achance</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2319</link>
		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Next93</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2318</link>
		<dc:creator>Next93</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the Federal Aviation Regulations (FARs), you&#039;re supposed to replace your aeronautical charts every 18 months.  I think approach plates for IFR operations are even more often.

Problem is, someone has to pay for the printing of those charts, and they&#039;re high-precision multicolor offset prints, which means a lot of setup time.  Those costs are amortized across a pretty small pool of consumers, and to make it worth the printer&#039;s time, the margins  need to be pretty high.

As they say in the aviation world:
Question: &quot;What is the force that keeps airplanes in the sky?&quot;
Answer: &quot;Money.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the Federal Aviation Regulations (FARs), you&#8217;re supposed to replace your aeronautical charts every 18 months.  I think approach plates for IFR operations are even more often.</p>
<p>Problem is, someone has to pay for the printing of those charts, and they&#8217;re high-precision multicolor offset prints, which means a lot of setup time.  Those costs are amortized across a pretty small pool of consumers, and to make it worth the printer&#8217;s time, the margins  need to be pretty high.</p>
<p>As they say in the aviation world:<br />
Question: &#8220;What is the force that keeps airplanes in the sky?&#8221;<br />
Answer: &#8220;Money.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in case I have some sort of electrical or electronic catastophe, I have paper charts for everything within 100 miles or so of Juneau.  I&#039;m almost $200 poorer!  Everything on that chart was done at public expense by NOAA, the USCG, and the Navy.  The outfit I bought them from is heavily subsidized by both the State and federal governments.  I don&#039;t mind paying for some ink and paper, but that seems a bit stiff!  Then, to be legal if you&#039;re licensed you have to go to the USCG Notices to Mariners every week and update the chart and keep a log of all the updates you do.

The cartography for my GPS chartplotter is based on the same charts.  $200 will buy you all the charts from Dixon Entrance to Cape Yakutage, all of Southeast Alaska and the Inside Passage.  $200 seems to be the magic number!  You can subscribe to an update service for $50 or so a year; they send you a new memory card and you send your old one back.  If you don&#039;t send your old one back, you get hit for another $200.

Interestingly, access to the government&#039;s horrendously expensive GPS system is free although they reserve the right to degrade it or turn it off altogether without a &quot;by your leave.&quot;  Alaska Airlines and the FAA prototyped the GPS landing system for civilian airliners here - with a lot of appropriation help from the evil Sen. Stevens.  GPS here is so accurate that I can literally put my boat at the face of my slip without ever looking up from the chartplotter screen.  I&#039;ve done it just to be sure; just had my wife keep a sea watch and drove in strictly on the GPS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case I have some sort of electrical or electronic catastophe, I have paper charts for everything within 100 miles or so of Juneau.  I&#8217;m almost $200 poorer!  Everything on that chart was done at public expense by NOAA, the USCG, and the Navy.  The outfit I bought them from is heavily subsidized by both the State and federal governments.  I don&#8217;t mind paying for some ink and paper, but that seems a bit stiff!  Then, to be legal if you&#8217;re licensed you have to go to the USCG Notices to Mariners every week and update the chart and keep a log of all the updates you do.</p>
<p>The cartography for my GPS chartplotter is based on the same charts.  $200 will buy you all the charts from Dixon Entrance to Cape Yakutage, all of Southeast Alaska and the Inside Passage.  $200 seems to be the magic number!  You can subscribe to an update service for $50 or so a year; they send you a new memory card and you send your old one back.  If you don&#8217;t send your old one back, you get hit for another $200.</p>
<p>Interestingly, access to the government&#8217;s horrendously expensive GPS system is free although they reserve the right to degrade it or turn it off altogether without a &#8220;by your leave.&#8221;  Alaska Airlines and the FAA prototyped the GPS landing system for civilian airliners here &#8211; with a lot of appropriation help from the evil Sen. Stevens.  GPS here is so accurate that I can literally put my boat at the face of my slip without ever looking up from the chartplotter screen.  I&#8217;ve done it just to be sure; just had my wife keep a sea watch and drove in strictly on the GPS.</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2314</link>
		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: civil_truth</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2313</link>
		<dc:creator>civil_truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This make sense because the taxpayers are funding it.

What this bill apparently would do is to give what is rightly in the public domains to private groups who would charge us for what we&#039;ve already paid for.

As I wrote before, this is theft of public property for the benefit of these journals, for who knows what political payback.

http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/03/11/dems-push-another-fake-fair-bill-that-will-kill-online-science-research-publishing/#comment-3764&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This make sense because the taxpayers are funding it.</p>
<p>What this bill apparently would do is to give what is rightly in the public domains to private groups who would charge us for what we&#8217;ve already paid for.</p>
<p>As I wrote before, this is theft of public property for the benefit of these journals, for who knows what political payback.</p>
<p>http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/03/11/dems-push-another-fake-fair-bill-that-will-kill-online-science-research-publishing/#comment-3764</p>
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		<title>By: zsmvf6</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2312</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: zsmvf6</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This stuff is cleared for public us; it&#039;s not piracy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This stuff is cleared for public us; it&#8217;s not piracy</p>
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		<title>By: LJ "Beaglescout" Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2310</link>
		<dc:creator>LJ "Beaglescout" Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: LJ "Beaglescout" Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2309</link>
		<dc:creator>LJ "Beaglescout" Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Science depends on the sharing of information. It is no mistake that the greatest progress in computing these days is happening in open systems. And the greatest tragedy in science is the copyrighting of genetic sequences, which means technology based on them will not reach wide circulation for at least a hundred years, maybe longer depending on how long the US copyright laws keep kowtowing to the national &quot;need&quot; to protect Mickey Mouse from copying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science depends on the sharing of information. It is no mistake that the greatest progress in computing these days is happening in open systems. And the greatest tragedy in science is the copyrighting of genetic sequences, which means technology based on them will not reach wide circulation for at least a hundred years, maybe longer depending on how long the US copyright laws keep kowtowing to the national &#8220;need&#8221; to protect Mickey Mouse from copying.</p>
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		<title>By: Next93</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2308</link>
		<dc:creator>Next93</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back int he 70&#039;s there were a number of groups soliciting in virtually every airport in the  country (ok, not in the St. Lawrence County Airport in Massena, NY, but just about every other airport). One of those groups wanted expanded federal funding for fusion energy research (I never really understood why they needed my spare change to do this).  They had a poster that read &quot;Nuclear power is safer than Ted Kennedy&#039;s car!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back int he 70&#8242;s there were a number of groups soliciting in virtually every airport in the  country (ok, not in the St. Lawrence County Airport in Massena, NY, but just about every other airport). One of those groups wanted expanded federal funding for fusion energy research (I never really understood why they needed my spare change to do this).  They had a poster that read &#8220;Nuclear power is safer than Ted Kennedy&#8217;s car!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Next93</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2307</link>
		<dc:creator>Next93</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m missing something.  If the paper in question was published in a journal, doesn&#039;t the journal have the copyright, which means they literally have a right to be paid for copies?  

If the government web site is providing you with the downloads without paying the publishers, then they&#039;re engaged in theft from the journal owners. If they&#039;re paying the fee for you, then they&#039;re subsidizing your research without any kind of oversight.

I agree that $37 is steep, and I also see the benefit to society to make scientific information available, but I just don&#039;t but the idea that this is something the government shold be doing. 

Seems to me that this was a givernment boondogle  that should have been closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m missing something.  If the paper in question was published in a journal, doesn&#8217;t the journal have the copyright, which means they literally have a right to be paid for copies?  </p>
<p>If the government web site is providing you with the downloads without paying the publishers, then they&#8217;re engaged in theft from the journal owners. If they&#8217;re paying the fee for you, then they&#8217;re subsidizing your research without any kind of oversight.</p>
<p>I agree that $37 is steep, and I also see the benefit to society to make scientific information available, but I just don&#8217;t but the idea that this is something the government shold be doing. </p>
<p>Seems to me that this was a givernment boondogle  that should have been closed.</p>
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		<title>By: ehosterman</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2305</link>
		<dc:creator>ehosterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a link to a pdf of the bill.

www.nutfruit.org/UserFiles/Image/pdf/reg10_feb09.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a link to a pdf of the bill.</p>
<p>www.nutfruit.org/UserFiles/Image/pdf/reg10_feb09.pdf</p>
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		<title>By: zsmvf6</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2304</link>
		<dc:creator>zsmvf6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: LJ "Beaglescout" Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2303</link>
		<dc:creator>LJ "Beaglescout" Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone would definitely get up there and write something like &quot;...but that&#039;s what Obama is giving us&quot; or what you said.

Present Obama, the zero we can believe in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone would definitely get up there and write something like &#8220;&#8230;but that&#8217;s what Obama is giving us&#8221; or what you said.</p>
<p>Present Obama, the zero we can believe in.</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2302</link>
		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really good! I&#039;ve subscribed to it for about 2 years now. The recipes are usually quick less than 20 or 30 minutes. :) You can get a magazine too, sometimes there are coupons in it. There is usually a dessert too, it&#039;s something easy with one of their products like pudding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really good! I&#8217;ve subscribed to it for about 2 years now. The recipes are usually quick less than 20 or 30 minutes. <img src='http://www.redstate.com/absentee/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  You can get a magazine too, sometimes there are coupons in it. There is usually a dessert too, it&#8217;s something easy with one of their products like pudding.</p>
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		<title>By: $peciallist</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2301</link>
		<dc:creator>$peciallist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you really need to elaborate...so we know what you&#039;re talking about

I have an idea what you mean, but I&#039;m not quite sure

please explain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you really need to elaborate&#8230;so we know what you&#8217;re talking about</p>
<p>I have an idea what you mean, but I&#8217;m not quite sure</p>
<p>please explain</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2300</link>
		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if anything changes or gets voted it will get sent to my inbox?
I still can&#039;t see it, just the senate 425 version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if anything changes or gets voted it will get sent to my inbox?<br />
I still can&#8217;t see it, just the senate 425 version.</p>
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		<title>By: gekster</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2299</link>
		<dc:creator>gekster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>about why they havn&#039;t seen me on RedState for the last two weeks. 
I gave myself a one month ban on blogging for behavior unbecoming a gekster.

I feel I lost the reason why I came here in the first place, wich was basically for political discussion, and I hope to find it again.
be back on 4-2
please no replies. thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>about why they havn&#8217;t seen me on RedState for the last two weeks.<br />
I gave myself a one month ban on blogging for behavior unbecoming a gekster.</p>
<p>I feel I lost the reason why I came here in the first place, wich was basically for political discussion, and I hope to find it again.<br />
be back on 4-2<br />
please no replies. thanks</p>
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		<title>By: E Pluribus Unum</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2298</link>
		<dc:creator>E Pluribus Unum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2009/03/12/open-thread-slogan-selection-committee-transcript/#comment-2297</link>
		<dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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