I wrote last week about how I see the behavior of voters in light of our media saturation environment. Today I saw a video, which many of you have no doubt seen before, that really highlights some of what I was talking about. You have to slog through the first minute or two as the interviewer is determined to ask each of the 12 respondents every single question. The second half is gold.
I went to the website, HowObamaGotElected.com, and found a great clip from Hannity & Colmes. Also at the site are the links to the saga of the Zogby poll, which is where this really gets interesting.
First, here are the poll results:
Reading the saga of Zogby is fascinating. Politico reports that Zogby stated "in a telephone interview that the volume of reaction was in the top 10 percent he had received to his 24 years of polling." They were accused of push polling and even hiring actors.
I’m only dredging this up again because it does so bother me how Zogby and the original documentarian, Ziegler, are being criticized for not conducting the same poll regarding McCain voters. I ask you, what difference would that make? More importantly, one would suspect similar answers. The premise was not that McCain voters are more informed, but rather that the media controlled the message. I guarantee you I could come up with 12 McCain voters who would have been equally out of the loop on a host of issues. Hey, I know McCain voters that out of the loop.
The whole problem is one of the media controlling the message, and the Democrats controlling the media. I’ve said many times at RedState we can break this stranglehold. I sometimes feel like I’m wasting my breath, as often I find people more interested in complaining than doing the dirty work. I won’t rehash the hundred different discussions we’ve had here, but suffice it to say that I believe Republicans can control the presentation and message better, we just often don’t.
In any case, the video is well worth watching. You have to know where we are before you can figure out where we can go.
Daniel Horowitz
Neil Stevens
Steve Maley
Jake Walker
Actually, Ziegler offered to do the same poll...
Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 10:25PM EST (link)…using McCain supporters, but Zogby was forced to say no by the Left.
It was a very funny conclusion, not to mention quite useful – to us.
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Are you more knowledgeable than the average citizen?
stang (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 10:43PM EST (link)Take the quiz here.
90% – got 3 wrong…in a hurry.
“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”
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I guarantee that the
bobbymike (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 10:50PM EST (link)average conservative voter scores better that the left. We have always had to defend our positions with real facts and historical understanding.
The left has it easy. Who is against clean air and water or giving to the poor. Who is for war and killing, let’s have some chardonney and brie on whole wheat crackers and talk about the issues like free healthcare for THE CHILDREN!!
It just goes to show this election was NOT about issues.
scottbomb (Diary) Monday, November 24th at 11:51PM EST (link)It was a pure cult of personality.
Palin has personality and that’s why the left is terrified of her. Never in my life have I seen a VEEP candidate so viciously attacked.
www.HowObamaGotElected.com
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” – Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948
Could any race between Obama and Mccain have been about the "issues"
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, November 25th at 12:33AM EST (link)Lets be honest, neither is particular well known for lots of different policy provisions.
McCain, as Bob Dole before him, always runs as who he is rather than a truly issues-based campaign.
Obama keeps his cards close to the vest. He is either an empty suit or a really sharp leftist who knows he has to fool people.
This campaign was as poor as any I can remember. The bailout stuff made it even worse. So many rediculous promises were made, and no candidate was ever called on anything.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
I keep kicking a dead horse with this but it's a horse worth kicking...
AceInTX (Diary) Tuesday, November 25th at 1:11AM EST (link)Whose fault is it that no one knows that this Congress with 8% approval ratings is a Democrat Congress?
Boehner should be run out of town on a rail along side of Cole and Ensign!
LET US ALL GIVE THANKS
GENE_LALOR (Diary) Tuesday, November 25th at 1:57AM EST (link)**LET US GIVE THANKS FOR OUR BLESSINGS (and abandon the rancor at least until Friday?)
THANKSGIVING EXPOSED PART TWO–GIVING THANKS
It’s easy for conservative Americans to feel deep in the dumps this November considering what happened on the fourth day of this month. We still have a great deal for which to be thankful this Thanksgiving.
All is far from lost, even if McCain/Palin did. One thing we should keep in mind is that John McCain was no conservative, except for his pro-life position. Obama’s victory therefore did not represent a victory over conservative principles but rather over a wishy-washy Republican moderate, and we can take heart and be thankful for that.
Also, aside from the grievous national harm which will result from a pro-abortion president in the White House, Obama cannot, at least initially, govern as the extreme liberal that he is in a nation which is still moderate-conservative according to exit polls.
Post Election Day, 2010, if he solidifies his congressional majorities, America may start to witness the changes he promised, changes which will shake us to our national core but, temporarily, we are relatively safe. Should he attempt to “do-a-Clinton” over the next two years, Republicans will have another great shot at taking back the congress in 2010 just as we took it in 1994. We should give a muted thanks for that possibility.
Newt, where are you when we need you?
It’s important, too, to understand that Obama paid dearly and literally for every vote he received. Reneging on his pledge to accept public financing proved to be his most brilliant move, brilliant but scurrilous and demonstrating his lack of honesty and good character.
He ended up spending almost as much money on media alone ($340 million) than McCain raised ($360 million): http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/expend.php?cycle=2008&cid=n00009638, http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.php?cycle=2008.
We can be thankful that Obama didn’t win the election as much as he bought the election.
Furthermore, he remains the stealth president-elect who will take office as an unknown quantity thanks to a media which felt collective tingles up their corporate legs and thereby allowed him to wage an extended primary battle followed by two months in the general campaign sans vetting and sans probing questions.
Of course, he had his legions of the faithful, including virtually every black in the country who would have voted for him if he espoused that they all be drawn and quartered on Inauguration Day, and his other faithful contingent who were taken in by this charlatan with a messianic complex.
Add to that blind group the disenchanted naysayers who opposed the war, who hated Bush and Cheney, who are suffering in our blighted economy, and those who simply voted against the status quo and, Voila! the nation was punished with Obama.
There’s a silver lining even in that cloud, namely that America did not knowingly choose as president an arch-liberal over a moderate since they knew not what they did nor for whom they were voting and that, to me, is a pyrrhic victory for which we should all give thanks.
For those who feel all or most of the above is a stretch, a Pollyannish, fantasy analysis of Election 2008 or an exercise in spinning a dash of sugar into a bunch of sour grapes, try these on for size as further reasons to be thankful:
Thanks to George Bush’s and General Petraeus’ “surge” in Iraq, we are finally winning that sector of the war against terrorism and winning the hard-fought battle for the hearts and minds of Iraqis;
We have not had to endure another 9/11 for over seven years;
Love him or despise him, on January 20th, 2008, Obama will receive the torch to lead, and change for better or worse, this nation after a (somewhat) spirited campaign on both sides and he will do so in accordance with our Constitution and without a violent upheaval that would be the norm in many countries;
We are still the most powerful nation on the face of the Earth despite Europe’s undisguised wishful thinking that our day is past;
Hillary lost;
If you have a roof over your head, food in your stomach, clothes on your back, and since you obviously can look down at the grass rather than up toward it, be thankful for that;
Finally, we should give an appreciative thanks to God for allowing us to live in the greatest nation on the planet.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING DAY TO ALL! MAY GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS US!
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OBAMA XLV
June 22nd, 2008
Ok, we’ve been told Obama is the new JFK, brainy, handsome, eloquent, etc. etc. etc. Well, I don’t know about any of that, especially about his eloquence when he doesn’t have his script. Take a listen to a few examples o
Supports my contention
kowalski (Diary) Tuesday, November 25th at 7:39AM EST (link)They’re about as well informed as a lot of the voters I spoke to in Massachusetts and this supports my contention that lots of Democrat voters would have cast their ballots for Adolf Nikita Stalinsky if his name had been on the ballot rather than Obama’s.
Sigh. For all the millions of words spent here in the blogosphere and everywhere else, there’s always a big group of people who decide who to vote for based purely on things like:
“Well, they had it for eight years and now it’s time for the other side to try.” In other words, about the same amount of thinking they use to decide between McDonalds and Burger King.
I’ve found from living in Massachusetts that the Democrats like the population to be fairly blinkered and confused most of the time, really basically incompetent to vote if you scratch the surface. The only thing they really want them to understand is that the Democrats are the Governmental Santa Claus that gives them money and funds healthcare, welfare and education.
And it works particularly well when you have a institutions like Harvard that are dedicated to producing an elite political class that is grounded in the philosophy of John Rawls, because you then get the people who are two standard deviations above the mean actively working to create and promote the policies that are ratified and voted for by the vast middle in the fat part of the curve. It’s a perfect feed-forward mechanism, just look at the Massachusetts legislature for proof:
The current composition of the House is 141 Democrats and 19 Republicans.
The current composition of the Senate is 35 Democrats and 5 Republicans.
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Cool quiz, first try....
EvanManrow Tuesday, November 25th at 8:51AM EST (link)You answered 33 out of 33 correctly — 100.00 %
I know, I’m a jerk.
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