Governor Perry to POTUS: “That’s Pathetic”


Governor Perry’s campaign has released a new ad in Iowa today that smacks the condescending arrogance of President Obama. The ad begins with the President’s recent remarks while campaigning/vacationing/playing golf with a friend who frequents the ladies of the night, in which he blamed the country’s current malaise on the American people being lazy.

“We’ve been a little bit lazy over the last couple of decades. We’ve kind of taken for granted — ‘Well, people would want to come here’ — and we aren’t out there hungry, selling America and trying to attract new businesses into America,”

Governor Perry’s retort? “That’s Pathetic.”



Governor Perry goes on to urge us to clean house in D.C. with a Balanced Budget Amendment and if Congress balks, to cut their pay and send them home. Governor Perry ends on noting that the President’s “socialist policies are bankrupting America”.

All I can say is: More please!

Aaron B. Gardner

P.S. Consider this your afternoon open thread.


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Awesome.

cheetah2 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 3:11PM EST (link)

I like!

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I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222

Newt, Mitt, Herm, et al,

Flagstaff (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 9:12PM EST (link)

take note of this ad.

If you want to win, show us how you’ll attack the real enemy, not how you’ll one-up each other. Hammer him from now ’til next November. Prove to us you will beat him.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

It's about time candidates focused on Obama !

patriot4freedom Thursday, November 17th at 2:10AM EST (link)

Thanks to Gov. Perry for being bold enough to direct his criticism to the most important target . . . Pres. Obama and the socialist policies he has implemented that are bringing the nation’s economy to its knees.
It’s time for all of the candidates for the Republican nomination to begin to specifically address what they will do to reverse the regulations and legislation of the Obama years.

Greg Gutfeld just noted the similarity of this ad

Flagstaff (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 5:22PM EST (link)

to a Cialis ad. Guess he’s right, but I hadn’t noticed it.

I still like the message,

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 
 
 
 

Timely, on point, effective!!

wbf (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 3:18PM EST (link)

nt

 

Obama misses the point completely.

Green_Lantern (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 3:26PM EST (link)

Since when do we try to “attract” businesses to come here. MAKE IT EASIER TO START AND RUN A BUSINESS FOR OUR OWN PEOPLE.

That's how he sees the world

daemonocracy Wednesday, November 16th at 5:34PM EST (link)

Obama thinks businesses and profits exist as separate from the individual and the reason unemployment and poverty exist is because these perpetual businesses with their perpetual profits like to see people suffer.

 
 

Oh yes! Meat is definitely back on the menu!

tyman Wednesday, November 16th at 3:27PM EST (link)

I like to think that’s the ad Reagan would have run against a comment like that.

And Perry has the courage to call Obama’s policies what they are: socialist.

I think his delivery is right on…not an elitist or professorial type, but someone who identifies with averages citizens to get the job done!

tyman, this beats Korean barbeque!!!

redmymind (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 3:32PM EST (link)

Man, ain’t he just the very best!!! Can’t stand the PC crowd and all that dancin’ around the edges. America, we’ve got our bold, conservative leader! GO PERRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And it's time somebody said it.

tyman Wednesday, November 16th at 3:38PM EST (link)

I turned on the radio to listen to the weather and heard Rush talking about Donald Trump and how he was the only one (I think past tense) taking it to Obama.

If this isn’t taking it to the Marxist-in-chief, I don’t know what you’d call it.

So Perry isn’t conservative enough for some? They’re either not paying attention or they’re simply doing what the media wants them to do.

Plus, . . .

redmymind (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 3:49PM EST (link)

Perry just has a natural commanding presence about him radiating with authenticity and genuineness. He has that sense of credibility about him that makes his words resonate even more. You get the sense that he really means what he says and will in fact do what he says.

it's because

cheetah2 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 3:55PM EST (link)

he does in fact mean what he says and he will do what he says he will do. He is the real deal.

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I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222

 
 
 
 

Unlike Romney,Perry isn't afraid to call a socialist a socialist

circlegranch Wednesday, November 16th at 7:06PM EST (link)

This ad is awesome! Even poor ol’ Allapundit over at Hotair reluctantly admits that he and others may be circling back to take another look at Gov. Perry. We’ll be here when you come around, Allah, and will be glad to have you come on board!

As a frequent critic of Sean Hannity here (due to his heretofore lack of mention of Gov. Perry) I think the Governor’s interview yesterday on Sean’s radio show was very well done. Credit goes to Sean who was engaging and basically friendly and hospitable and Rick Perry slammed the interview out of the park.

Again, fence sitters—-we’ll be here waitin’ for y’all.

IT’S NOT OVER!

I saw Allahpundit's article!

changeforrickperry Wednesday, November 16th at 7:56PM EST (link)

It was pretty funny to see him begrudgingly admit this was a good ad. I also saw a former Cain supporter saying he/she was giving Perry a second
look.

I’ve been to The Blaze, HotAir, and The Right Scoop these past
couple of days. Rest assured, RS is NOT an echo chamber. There are MANY pro-Perry comments on these blogs. I had stopped going to The Blaze because I was sick of hearing the Paulinistas’ “Perry is a Bilderberg, Perry is a Bilderberg” baloney. I was so surprised to see a good many comments defending him these days!

Persevero!

 

Ace of Spades

cheetah2 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 8:14PM EST (link)

is back in Perry’s camp too right now and praising this ad. I heard that Perry will be on Sean Hannity’s TV show tonight.

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I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222

 

555!

jakeofalltrades (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 9:21PM EST (link)

This is exactly why I became a Perry donor – to help consolidate his position against Romney before the primaries, because I knew then that he is the only truly-credible candidate.

It’s time for y’all to come to Jesus and support Perry against Romney.

 
 

That's right.

Flagstaff (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 8:01PM EST (link)

“And Perry has the courage to call Obama’s policies what they are: socialist.”

It needs to happen more often.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 
 

Governor Perry

izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 3:33PM EST (link)

Keep it up!

Run timely, targeted spots all the way to every primary vote…..

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 

love this ad!

WA_Cowboy (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 3:35PM EST (link)

Perry is the one with the guts to run an ad like this. Good for him.

Has anyone else noticed a shift in his ads — not really going after Romney anymore, just BO? At any rate…good stuff.

“If you put the Federal Government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” – Milton Friedman

 

I think throwing out the "socialist" tag is a mistake

Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 3:36PM EST (link)

All the way up to that point, it’s a perfect ad to make Independents like Rick Perry.

But most independents will not buy into the socialist label.

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I see your point

tyman Wednesday, November 16th at 3:41PM EST (link)

but I think that Obama has crossed a line that even independents question.

They SHOULD have seen him for what he was in ’08, but they didn’t.

If you read the 10 tenets of communism, it’s easier to list what we DON’T have, than what we DO out of those 10.

A very very good point tyman

iidvbii Wednesday, November 16th at 10:55PM EST (link)

About the tenets of communism and one we should all be carrying in our aresenol.

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

 
 

Change Jar.. haven't you heard? ... Independents...

onemovoter (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 3:43PM EST (link)

have already fled Obama and nearly align with conservatives when it comes to Obama. The socialist tag in this ad is for the GOP, not the independents anyway.

However it will ring true for many of them even if they are just marginally paying attention, which independents do. “Independents” are that way because they don’t spend the time researching politics like we do. They are mostly clueless and are easily swayed.

“Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain, and most fools do.”- Benjamin Franklin
“I don’t make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts.”- Will Rogers

 

never run from the truth

kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 3:46PM EST (link)

It is totally and demonstrably true. Clear differences will only help us in the elections.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 

agreed about independents but

WA_Cowboy (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 3:49PM EST (link)

this ad is for the GOP base, the majority of whom don’t have an issue calling BO a socialist.

would it be useful in the general? not sure.

“If you put the Federal Government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” – Milton Friedman

I thought the same thing

easyb (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 4:34PM EST (link)

He’s running ads for Republican primary voters. The socialist tag won’t offend them.

Timely ad, by the way. Liked it.

 
 

I don't really think so...

Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 4:17PM EST (link)

The socialist tag has been used so much on Obama over the last 3 years, I doubt anyone will be shocked to hear it. And wacowboy got it right – this is a primary campaign ad and aimed at Republicans (not that we can control who sees it!). Perry’s problem right now is convincing potential GOP voters that he’s the right guy. I suspect he’ll worry more about independents later.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

Bill, 2 months of OWS Show 'nTell will not have sweetened the term for Indies either -nt-

CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:20PM EST (link)

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Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)

soli Deo gloria

 

I somewhat disagree, Bill S.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:23PM EST (link)

Let me ask it another way. How many Conservatives watch Letterman? I know there are some, I find Dave funnier than Jay, but .. it’s just not a big media outlet for Red Staters, is it?

So why was Perry willing to go be the butt of Dave’s jokes?

The only reason I can come up with is “the general”… and that’s not the first time the Perry campaign has hit two birds with one stone….

Mew

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In that case...

Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:35PM EST (link)

he was trying to fix a problem that was splattered all over Drudge and every other media outlet in the country. Is there a TV channel, other than maybe Fox News, that is heavy in conservatives? Not that I know of (although BBC America happens to be one of my faves…). So I suspect they picked the quickest and highest saturation mechanism they could find to repair that particular damage. Letterman was free, it was quick response, it gave him a chance to use more self-deprecating humor, and it got a LOT of coverage (headline pic on Drudge the next day). A YouTube video would never, ever have had that kind of impact.

Personally, I doubt that ad sees much exposure outside of the conservative web site circuit. You won’t see it during CSI, I can pretty much guarantee. You MAY see it on Fox or CNBC, and that would hit the target audience.

So it’s a different “weapon” for a different problem.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

Saw it on Fox around noon

supergirl2911 Thursday, November 17th at 12:46PM EST (link)

Loved it!

 
 

Cat's meow--that appearance was Nixon on Laugh-In

CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:36PM EST (link)

During the September 16, 1968 episode, Richard Nixon, running for president, appeared for a few seconds with a disbelieving vocal inflection, asking “Sock it to me?” Nixon was not doused or assaulted. An invitation was extended to Nixon’s opponent, Vice-President Hubert Humphrey, but he declined. According to George Schlatter, the show’s creator, “Humphrey later said that not doing it may have cost him the election”, and “[Nixon] said the rest of his life that appearing on Laugh-In is what got him elected. And I believe that. And I’ve had to live with that.”

Wikipedia, Rowan & Martin’s Laugh-In

Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)

soli Deo gloria

 
 
 

the "socialist" tag is a mistake because it means different

lizzie Wednesday, November 16th at 10:47PM EST (link)

things. But, in America, it is used by flamethrowers against the Democrats too much. Bernie Sanders, the Vermont Senator with the real Brooklyn accent IS a Socialist who caucuses with the Dems.

It was when I lived on the Upper West Side of Manhattan that I discovered Socialists were activists within the Democratic Party, I guess like Libertarians are activists within the GOP.

Gov. Perry needs to be consistently Presidential. This ad was terrific – correct to hammer Obama for calling Americans soft, lacking ambition, and lazy. But, that has nothing to do with Socialism!

Obama is a failure of leadership for blaming Americans for our economic dilemma.

Throwing red meat words like “Socialist” does not necessarily work even in the GOP primaries. You think the serious Yankees of New Hampshire think Obama is a Socialist when they have the Socialist Kingdom of Vermont (btw, Vermont sometimes threatening secession) on the west bank of the Connecticut River??? NH knows the difference, and I bet Iowans do too.

Perry still has my support and vote, but I am the voter he needs in the general, and I sent an email immediately that this one word was a mistake.

Perry is so good at being upbeat and confident, and he really has to draw the contrast with Obama without pandering to the Rush Limbaugh wing of the GOP.

Better if Perry asks Americans if they think a real leader should blame the people he/she serves, or set an example. Obama is the one who is soft and lazy.

rant over, but really, BIG mistake. the media bash will come tomorrow, and they will dredge up the birther thing, and oops, and delve into why Cain thinks Perry’s ice cream is “Rocky Road” remember that racist rock story?

Now I will nightmares about Waffle Romney starting a war with China just to prove he has bigger guns.

FYI, I live in VT, on the border with NH....

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 8:36AM EST (link)

I hear people call Obama’s policies socialist all the time.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 
 
 

Love the ad....

iidvbii Wednesday, November 16th at 3:39PM EST (link)

Thought it was concise, accurate and genuine.

One suggestion for all the candidates, when you deliver the message personally we KNOW you approve it. You don’t have to state it.

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

They have to say that by law.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 3:44PM EST (link)

nt

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


Thank St. John the McCain for that one (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 4:23PM EST (link)

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Are Ya'll serious???

iidvbii Wednesday, November 16th at 4:42PM EST (link)

I honestly didn’t know that but then again something that stupid would have to have Washington’s fingerprints all over it…..

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

Totally serious.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 4:44PM EST (link)

Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act. Also known as McCain/Feingold.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 

Not all candidates are required to say that.

Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 4:51PM EST (link)

In Romney’s case he has to say:

I may or may not be Mitt Romney and I…..

Herman Cain has to say:

……………..Uh……..In case I’m Herman Cain I may………….

Newt has to say:

All my wives have called me Newt Gingrich and I hope some one can pay………

Bachmann has to say:

All, the poor little 12 year old girls know I’m Michelle Bachmann………..

Ron Paul has to say:

I’m just plain effing crazy………..

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

tbone has to say

federalfarmer1 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:32PM EST (link)

I’m a huge Perry shill and I derail threads to dump garbage on good conservatives at every opportunity

ATTN: federalfarmer1

Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:44PM EST (link)

Read the site rules. In particular, make sure you read rules 2-5, several of which you are in danger of having your account disabled over.

Your compliance with the site rules is a condition of your future participation at RedState.

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please clarify

federalfarmer1 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:14PM EST (link)

If tbone sarcastically attacks good conservatives, am I not permitted to respond sarcastically? I was defending the conservatives he mocked. How is tbones comment more productive for advancing conservatism than mine? I really don’t get it!

to be clear, i dont have that much of a problem with perry

federalfarmer1 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:30PM EST (link)

And supported him at first, but the constant personal attacks on other good candidates by Perry supporters is simply wrong. Perrys daliances from conservative orthodoxy and ethical accusations get no mention, yet every bit of dnc dredged slime about Newt, or Cain, or Bachmann, etc. gets snarked repeatedly. If I can’t level the playing field by engaging at the same level, I won’t, but id appreciate having it spelled out so I know where the line is.

What a load of tripe.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:41PM EST (link)

In your 18 days here all you have done is bash Perry.

You did it the last time I posted on Perry.

If you had been here for a bit longer, or had the intellectual rigor to read the archives, you would have seen how often Perry was attacked in just the way you are complaining about.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 
 

Read the rules, federalfarmer1

Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:35PM EST (link)

I’m not going to argue with you on the rules. If you wish clarifications, hit the contact page.

I’m not interested in your excuses, either. Follow the rules, or don’t post. Your call.

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Obviously certain types of conservatives are more equal than other types of conservatives.

federalfarmer1 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:39PM EST (link)

Im going to head out. Later.

 
 

So...

Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 7:25PM EST (link)

You don’t get the difference between criticizing a public figure/politician and attacking a RedState member? Well, let me help you: the former is allowed and the latter is not. Understand now?

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

apologies to tbone

federalfarmer1 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 7:44PM EST (link)

I didn’t intend to attack him or be in any way disrespectful towards him, I only intended to register my disagreement with his views on the other gop candidates in a an amusing way, and poke him a little for his ardent support for Rick perry. He seems like he has a thick skin and quite able to handle a little back and forth. I wont do it again. Thanks for the clarification. Again, sorry to tbone if I hurt your feelings, I didn’t mean to attack you personally.

Thank you. -nt-

Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 7:56PM EST (link)

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“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 

I have no problems with you ff.

Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 10:17PM EST (link)

Being the most objective person in the world, I fully understand that I deserve most of what I get and that I get away with far more than I deserve. :-)

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 
 

Ahem

congressworksforus (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 9:27PM EST (link)

But it’s OK for front-pagers to do it? Or are all the front-pagers immune to the rules?

Remember, if the left wins, abortion will not only be legal, it will be mandatory.

Take it to the contacts page...

acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 10:23PM EST (link)

…if you have a problem with the front page authors or moderators.

Mew

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congressworksforus- It's against the rules

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 10:37PM EST (link)

for posters to post outright lies. The front-pagers have never posted outright lies as you have.

 

ATTN congressworksforus

Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 11:27PM EST (link)

You are in violation of the site rules.

Do it again and I’ll bounce you.

Argue with me in this thread over this and I will bounce you.

Take it to the contact form if you want to whine about it.

End of discussion.

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I expected Rick Perry to say

cheetah2 (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 12:20AM EST (link)

You’re Darn tootin’ I approve this ad!

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I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222

 
 
 
 
 
 

Advice from the Castro brothers?

tailfins1959 Wednesday, November 16th at 3:49PM EST (link)

If you read Granma http://www.granma.cu/ingles/ you will see the stock response from the Castro brothers to bad circumstances is how “lazy” the public is. It appears B-HO has taken a page out of their playbook.

You have the right to quit Toxic People. (They’re contagious.) ~Dr. SunWolf

 

Perfect commercial.

westcoastpatriette (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 3:53PM EST (link)

How could that message not resonate with anyone with half a brain?

If people haven’t the wit to realize that socialism is being foisted upon is and is what is sinking us, then they just aren’t paying attention and never will.

Love the boldness. He speaks from the heart what all of us out here are thinking and feeling all the time. Go for it, Perry.

westcoastpatriette, it's because over half the

retire05 Wednesday, November 16th at 4:51PM EST (link)

voters in America have less than half a brain. That was proven on election night, November, 2008.

To quote Rick Perry:

“Football, hunting and barbque. What a great time of year.”

retire05

 

Most red blooded Americans----

romansdaughter Wednesday, November 16th at 7:46PM EST (link)

know that Obama is pushing socialism…good grief Hank Williams Jr. was singing about it not too long ago and it went viral. So I think most Americans agree.

“I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t,than live my life as if there isn’t and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus

“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.” Alexander Hamilton

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill

” He is no fool, who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Jim Elliot

 
 

"ladies of the night"?

blooch Wednesday, November 16th at 3:57PM EST (link)

I dunno, Aaron…

“In a complaint filed in District Court yesterday, prosecutors said that on
Monday, “Robert Richard Titcomb did engage in or agree or offer to engage in
sexual conduct … with another———— person,————— for a fee thereby committing the offense of prostitution.”

“Titcomb, interviewed for a 2004 Honolulu Star-Bulletin article on his childhood
friend and then-U.S. Senate candidate, was described as a “commercial fisherman and Continental Airlines flight attendant.”

NTTIAWWT

http://forum.surfermag.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2023155&an=0&page=0

Talk about your “Deadliest Catch”….must get lonely out there on the shrimping boat. I won’t even try to riff the Flight Attendant thing.

/end threadjack

“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”

Hahaha, I was being charitable.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 4:01PM EST (link)

;)

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 
 

Meanwhile, Romney is kicking vets out of townhall meetings

sunshinek67 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 4:09PM EST (link)

From the washingtonmonthly.com today:

“Clearly, if folks show up for a public event and become disruptive, it stands to reason they’ll be escorted away. But if four U.S. military veterans attend a public event, it’s inappropriate to kick them out because a Republican campaign doesn’t like their shirts.

The shirt wasn’t obscene, it wasn’t threatening, and it’s unlikely Romney would have even noticed it. So why did Romney aides feel the need to throw these veterans out?”

The shirt? Vets Against VA Vouchers. Wow~

What!

carolynr Wednesday, November 16th at 9:16PM EST (link)

I do not like Romney…personally or his policies. When you kick Vets out of a townhall…that stinks.

I said that there wasn’t any daylight between Obama and Romney…and there isn’t. Furthermore…I don’t like what I have been reading about Newt either.

Tonight on Fox News they said that Newt was in first …and then went off on how smart he was…NOW GET THIS…but he lacked the organization needed to be president….HOW SMART IS THAT…FOLKS?

He went to Greece in June for two weeks to "study" their predicament

sunshinek67 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 11:30PM EST (link)

and lost his staff (to Perry). Maybe Gingrich is one of those that has a plethora of think tank knowledge, but when it comes to common sense, can’t get himself out of the rain~

Newt's Staff

Lucas Black Wednesday, November 16th at 11:51PM EST (link)

He did lose his staff to Perry – and now his campaign is kicking Perry’s campaign’s ass. So it looks like he came out ahead in that game.

What an idiot assertion. Newt's campaign is a textbook example

sunshinek67 (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 10:52AM EST (link)

of what NOT to do when running for the high office. Greece cruise aside, instead of blanketing Iowa & NH, he is seen in Chicago one entire afternoon last month checking out the dinosaur exhibits @the museum. Anyone see the irony in that one?

It goes back to the premise that the guy who thinks he’s the smartest in the room and can deliver stellar debate performances does not equate to adequate leadership. If he intends to run the country the same way he has run a campaign we are in for more trouble. Another Perryism, if you want to know how a guy is going to lead look at his past.

And Yet

Lucas Black Thursday, November 17th at 11:25AM EST (link)

And yet, for all that, Newt is beating Perry hands-down both in the national polls and even more in the early state polls. Of course, polls don’t vote and things can and will change, but he got to where he is doing it his way. Results do matter, so lets see where things end up.

It is asinine to compare Perrys campaign to Gingrich's.

sunshinek67 (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 1:08PM EST (link)

Perry raised 17million in 49 days. Gingrich’s third quarter was in debt. Now, if this is indicative of how he will lead the country, again I say, we are in trouble. You are trying to invalidate a man’s entire career as a public servant, including time spent as an AirForce captain and 3 consecutive terms as a successful governor of the worlds 13th largest economy from a series of liberal run American Political Idol Contest tryouts.

I would rather give my vote with a clear conscience to a guy that has core substance and who’s own values align with my own, unriddled by scandal and uses fiscal prudence but experiences a 53 second lapse of memory than to another guy that gets into bed with the Washington establishment every chance he gets, and wins debates from pithy soundbites that don’t reconcile with his dinosaur long record. He is lying about his “salary” as a “history professor”, that’s enough for me.

 
 

I see the irony

supergirl2911 Thursday, November 17th at 1:16PM EST (link)

Nt

 
 
 

yeah, funny

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 12:01AM EST (link)

Yeah, I don’t know how Gingrich can deliver that spin with a straight face. Then again, he’s the guy who spun his infidelity as driven by his working too hard for the country he loves.

Facts –> rational analysis –> conclusions –> advocacy. In that sequence.

Book I wish everyone in the world would read

 
 
 
 

Rick Perry is the dark horse

Hammer2008 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 4:12PM EST (link)

More and more, I find myself drifting to Gov. Rick Perry, away from Herman Cain. A week ago, I thought his debate gaffe would end his run, but it didn’t.

2012 has become the America’s version of candidate speed-dating. In the end, we will all pick one to support and then vote for.

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Too much noise! “Noise! You’ll have noise enough before long. The Regulars are coming out.” ~ Paul Revere (April 18th, 1775′s eve…)

keep drifting to Perry please

WA_Cowboy (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 4:18PM EST (link)

:)

and I like your analogy about speed dating

“If you put the Federal Government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” – Milton Friedman

 

Hahahaha

Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 4:18PM EST (link)

“candidate speed-dating”. I love that.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 

"speed dating"

proud2btexasmom Wednesday, November 16th at 4:35PM EST (link)

What a hoot! And so dang blasted accurate… it’s kinda sad.
Perry 2012

 

Speed dating flirtations are a good exercise to go through

carolina Wednesday, November 16th at 7:51PM EST (link)

before you decide who to settle down with and marry (vote for).
I kinda like all of these alternating favorites that take turns getting all of the heat from the liberal press. I really believe Perry will be the candidate that will ultimately “win the hearts and minds” of the voters. His character, policies, and message are perfect, imo.
I’m just waiting for the GOP primary voters to “get serious”……

 

This why we have primaries...

congressworksforus (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 9:30PM EST (link)

And why people should let it play out rather than horserace it 6 months in advance.

Remember, if the left wins, abortion will not only be legal, it will be mandatory.

 
 

I'll say this--Perry's manner in ads

usedtobelib Wednesday, November 16th at 4:22PM EST (link)

is very effective in that he comes off as likeable. Don’t know if that’s what can reclaim his campaign or not, but he’s good in commercials.

Don’t know if that’s what can reclaim his campaign or not

izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 4:33PM EST (link)

They thought Newt’s campaign was dead,
they thought Bachmann was unstoppable after her Iowa
straw poll win,
and Romney thought everyone would be gone by now…..

6 weeks

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 

Sparky, this IS a campaign.

Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 4:40PM EST (link)

Standing up doing a gotcha press conference with 5 people who have no business even being on the stage is not a campaign.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Sure, it's a campaign.

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 8:55PM EST (link)

A *bad* campaign. Rick Perry isn’t registering in either New Hampshire or Iowa. I haven’t seen any polls in South Carolina or the other states, but I highly doubt that they’re much different. That’s just pathetic. So are the debates, but Perry has not done much to improve their signal:noise ratio, to be frank.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

Perry, or any other legit conservative isn't going

Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 11:33PM EST (link)

to register in NH. As for Iowa, how did those corn-pone hicks do in 2008?

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Indeed South Carolina is the primary that picks

iidvbii Wednesday, November 16th at 11:51PM EST (link)

POTUS no one wins without them…. The first two are about field thinning and momentum….. Our fortune will be told in Dixie folks.

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

 
 
 
 
 

Where's his media attention?

texabama Wednesday, November 16th at 4:23PM EST (link)

Perry’s had several really good ads, speeches and policy positions released in the past two weeks. Where’s his media attention? There’s been no mention of his good performance in the last debate. No mention of his speeches. Instead the focus is almost entirely on Cain and Gingrich.

He has to poll higher

pdawk Wednesday, November 16th at 4:31PM EST (link)

When you are at 6% in Iowa, 2 % in New Hampshire, and 5th nationally, you don’t get a ton of attention. It took several great debates by Newt to get the polling numbers to go up where the media began to take notice.

Staying power

easyb (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 4:37PM EST (link)

He’s second to Romney in money, so he’ll be around long enough for his polling to go back up.

If he can put in some debates in which he is as clear and concise as this ad, his polling will go up, for sure.

Rick's Money

Lucas Black Wednesday, November 16th at 6:51PM EST (link)

He’s burning through it fast, now, and I understand his fundraising has dried up. I wonder how much he really has left.

Link, please.

changeforrickperry Wednesday, November 16th at 7:47PM EST (link)

How do you know his fundraising has dried up?

Don't listen to him, got his talking points from WaPo

sunshinek67 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 8:05PM EST (link)

I've been looking for any updates on Perry's fundraising

changeforrickperry Wednesday, November 16th at 9:01PM EST (link)

for weeks and haven’t found anything new, so I was just curious as to how a troll like lucasblack would have such valuable info ;)
______________________________________________________________
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

www.changeforrickperry.org

I spend too much time as a novice political junkie (snicker)

sunshinek67 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 9:29PM EST (link)

but I did see an article yesterday that contradicts the idea that the Perry campaign is out of money. The media is writing a narrative right now, taking one or two bundlers or supporters that have jumped ship and have extrapolated that out to a Perry campaign implosion. It’s just not true.

I have learned over the years to pay attention to rational minds, especially on t.v., EE, Mary Matalin are two very good sane voices of reason. Mary always seems to get it right, and she says it is not over for Rick Perry, not by a long shot. She, of all people, knows what’s up with stuff. Don’t be misled by errant misguided pinhead pundits and “lucasblack” type anonymous posters in cyber rooms that have an agenda. Do the research for yourself~

Don't worry, sunshine 67--not misled

changeforrickperry Wednesday, November 16th at 9:38PM EST (link)

just pushing lucasblack’s buttons :)

Thanks for the heads-up on the fundraising, though. Like I said above, I’ve been searching for any updates and haven’t found anything in several weeks. I’ll be looking for that article you mentioned. And yes, I like Mary Matalin as well. She seems very grounded; I just don’t know how she and James Carville get along.
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“Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

www.changeforrickperry.org

 
 

Found it, from Time.com two days ago

sunshinek67 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 9:41PM EST (link)

“Five Reasons Rick Perry Will Survive…For Now
By JAY NEWTON-SMALL | @JNSmall | November 14, 2011 |
Sure, Rick Perry blew his chance to reboot his campaign last week and spent much of the weekend doing damage control – through humor and a quiet debate performance on Saturday night. Yes, some donors are fleeing from him. And his poll numbers have sunk even lower. But don’t expect Perry to bow out of the race for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination any time soon. In fact, there is still a path for him to win. Here are five reasons why Perry will stay in the race and survive his debate gaffe:

Money. Perry’s campaign on Friday announced a $1 million ad buy on Fox News. They also plan on pouring as much as $10 million of his remaining $13 million war chest into Iowa. Despite the defection of some bundlers, Perry remains a fundraising powerhouse who will be able to afford investments other candidates can’t.”

 
 
 

Don't have a link

Lucas Black Wednesday, November 16th at 9:41PM EST (link)

I don’t mean to suggest I have some inside knowledge. I’ve just heard various members of the punditocracy saying it on TV. I think Alex Castellanos was one of those who said it, but won’t swear to it. I think if he was pulling in big bucks, he’d be saying it, though.

Alex Castellanos from what I can tell

sunshinek67 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 9:45PM EST (link)

has never been an ardent supporter of Governor Perry anyway. Think about it. Establishment figures do not like Rick Perry. Next~

 
 

Found Link

Lucas Black Thursday, November 17th at 11:24AM EST (link)

Not sure if anyone is still following this thread, but here is a story that talks about Perry’s money problems.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68584.html

 
 

if you only knew about where the money is

lizzie Wednesday, November 16th at 10:58PM EST (link)

since Allbaugh came on board, Perry’s fundraising events stopped being posted on Politico or anywhere else.

except Perry is making a speech in NYC on Friday, and I researched the very private foundation group he is speaking to, so I am feeling better. because I have no money, just time.

never believe anonymous sources on money woes.

 
 
 

This only proves that 6% of the Republicans in Iowa

Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 4:42PM EST (link)

and 2% in NH should be allowed to vote.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

It's a good ad

unclefred (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 4:58PM EST (link)

Perry looks presidential and hits Obama in a vulnerable spot.

Perry’s problem in Iowa and NH is not that he doesn’t look presidential, or that he can’t deliver a punch in a political ad. His problem is that he has some policies that the Republican voters, who are not Romney folks, strongly dislike. It’s about substance not style. He can throw all the red or raw meat to the base that he likes, until he addresses his policy issues they will continue to poison his chances.

If you mean immigration, unclefred...

acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:06PM EST (link)

then it’s kind of been done to death here on Red State.

If you mean the Gardasil flap, that’s equally old news.

Yes, the corn farmers in Iowa may just now be waking up to the reality that (a) other States with more strict opt-out than Texas now mandate Gardasil and (b) courts have, thus far, found that illegals have just as much right to the benefits their tax dollars pay for as citizens …

Or did you mean something else?

Mew

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No, pdawk, it took the Cain campaign

retire05 Wednesday, November 16th at 4:57PM EST (link)

self destructing for people to start looking at the next “Not-Mitt” candidate.

Perry is not getting the press at Fox that he should be since Fox had decided to be in the Cain Corner. Hell, Herman Cain got more free press time at Fox (the station that most conservatives relied on for their news) than he could ever possibly hope to buy.

August/first half of September: Perry leads the polls

Last half of September/October: Cain leads the polls

Newt is just the newest person being looked at by those not yet committed to a particular candidate.

Just remember, what goes up, must come down. The trick is to go up so late that you haven’t started coming down before the early primaries. As an example, I give you Mike Huckabee in late December, 2008, who took the Iowa caucuses.

retire05

Perry was up already

unclefred (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:02PM EST (link)

When he imploded, his support went to Cain. You’ll notice that the support that Cain is losing is not going back to Perry.

They left Perry for what they considered good reasons. Those reasons are still applicable. Unless he addresses the reason they left, don’t expect Perry to that support back up even if Gingrich stumbles.

He has, people like you still reject it.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:06PM EST (link)

And you always will.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


As long as unclefred shows up in November, Aaron...

acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:10PM EST (link)

although I’d rather he get his head straight before then.

Mew

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Caveat Suffragator

 

aaron isnt that the point

federalfarmer1 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:37PM EST (link)

Perry can’t address his flaws in a way the brings back all those conservatives that bailed on him. His flaws are endemic to his personality.

I am not worried about the fringe like you and unclefred.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:40PM EST (link)

The more sane ranks will end up marginalizing you.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


Clarification, please.

Calvin Freiburger (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:03PM EST (link)

Being seriously dissatisfied by Perry in the primary is now sufficient grounds to deem someone “fringe” and not “sane”?

it is probably fringe here

federalfarmer1 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:10PM EST (link)

Where Rick Perry supporters regularly smear other conservatives with dnc talking points and nobody bats an eye. I’ll work for the Perry campaign if he is the nominee, but I won’t saint him or pretend he’s am unimpeachable conservative. That’s not enough for some true believers though.

He's not an unimpeachable conservative.

Xasteius (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 10:43PM EST (link)

Nor is he perfect (in fact I like the fact I will never see him as anything more). In fact the only reason I chose him is that he has the best character of anyone in the race.

Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!

The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.

I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.

 
 

No, Calvin, that's not fringe...

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:27PM EST (link)

What’s fringe is not accepting the facts and instead substituting blatant lies about a candidates position as fact like federalfarmer1 has a history of doing.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


ok, what blatant lies?

federalfarmer1 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:36PM EST (link)

I’ve spent most of my time defending Newt, and cain, from baseless attacks, noting that Perry has baggage just like every politician, and arguing folks should be willing to support the gop nominee, whoever it is.

This comment is full of them.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:57PM EST (link)

Hater’s gonna hate

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 
 

I See.

Calvin Freiburger (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 7:41PM EST (link)

I don’t presume to know federalfarmer1′s comment history, so I’ll defer to others on that point. Still, most of the dishonest personal attacks I’ve seen in RS’s comment threads have been from Perry supporters, not Perry critics.

Hate to agree

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 8:53PM EST (link)

but I do agree. As a weak Perry supporter, let me say that Perry supporters intent on ragging on people for not seeing the light or for seeing his flaws are really not doing the cause any favors.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 
 
 
 

i am mainstream

federalfarmer1 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:06PM EST (link)

I went from undecided to pawlenty to Perry to Cain to Newt.

Being "mainstream" is a little like being "hip", federalfarmer1.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:14PM EST (link)

If you have to say you are something, chances are you’re not.

Mew

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So you are a speed dater federalfarmer

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:43PM EST (link)

as someone else here, I think Homer, so aptly called those that go from candidate to candidate. When one goes from one to another, with none having any similar positions, records, or ideology, that would be considered a watcher of the windsocks.

 

Gee, dude, I just waited to see who got in

Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:53PM EST (link)

saw what I liked in Perry and have stuck with him.

What I like is that he has won tough elections in a very large and diverse state.

He has run that state well for 10 years and been rewarded with reelection twice.

He is a demonstrable Christian.

No one has dug up any credible moral issues.

He sound conservative to me when he talks about cutting government and defunding the UN.

He has the juice to get the money it takes to run.

No other candidate meets all of these and only a couple really meet a few.

Evidently,you get excited about the flavor of the month.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

This is my first post to Red State

oldlady Wednesday, November 16th at 7:17PM EST (link)

And I wanted to say that I’m just like you T-bone. I kept my powder dry and studied up on all the candidates. Finally, a few weeks ago I settled on Perry. For all of the reasons you list and more. I’m with him now for the long haul. Go Perry!

Welcome to RedState (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 7:53PM EST (link)

RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

 

Welcome oldlady

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 8:01PM EST (link)

when you look at all the candidates, Perry is the only option to take out the socialist policies of the Obama admin. Thank you for making an informed choice. Too many want to put the focus on the latest American Idol candidate.

 

Welcome to RedState, oldlady!

changeforrickperry Wednesday, November 16th at 9:08PM EST (link)

You’re a great example to fellow Americans of someone who does their homework and studies a candidate’s record before coming to a decision. Glad to have you on board–hope you enjoy RS!
______________________________________________________________
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

www.changeforrickperry.org

 

hi oldlady!

cheetah2 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 10:12PM EST (link)

I am new at Red State too. I have been a Perry supporter from day one. Keep the faith! Its good to have your very first post be about Rick Perry!

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I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222

 

oldlady: Hello from one old lady to another, and welcome.

pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 5:25AM EST (link)

Jump right in and join the crowd. I’m fairly new myself, but you will be happy you found RS – just like me.

Go Perry – that’s the ticket.

 
 

Tbone

CarolT (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 8:01PM EST (link)

I waited to see who ran and had feeling Perry would announce at Red State gathering. I liked what I had read before he announced and have been for Perry since then. He’s had some bad debates, today Rush was talking about Bush’s bad debates.
I want Rick to be our next POTUS.

Fox has become more liberal. I watch O’Reilly only when Dennis Miller is on.

 

Perry's Moral Issues

congressworksforus (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 9:35PM EST (link)

So…. when the media “uncovers” that Perry’s stem-cell treatment was from embryonic stem cells, you think that wont torpedo him with Social Conservatives?

The more correct statement is that “No one has dug up any credible moral issues … yet”

Give the drive-bys time…

Remember, if the left wins, abortion will not only be legal, it will be mandatory.

What info do you have that stem cells Perry used were from embryonic stem cells.

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 9:52PM EST (link)

I can’t find nothing on it.
Was this intended to be snark?
This is the first I’ve heard on it.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

 

That's an outright lie congressworks for us

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 10:11PM EST (link)

and you should be called out for your rank dishonesty. You can find article after article that Perry’s stem cell surgery used his own “adult stem cells.” You are a liar just trying to create crap against Perry.

Scope, I found this article on it.

gekster (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 10:23PM EST (link)

Perrys back treatment

excerpt:
Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a potential presidential candidate, underwent spinal fusion surgery in early July that included an injection of his own stem cells, a therapy that is unapproved by the FDA and costs tens of thousands of dollars.

While the Texas governor supports adult stem cell research, he is an opponent of embryonic stem cell research, a position held by the social conservative base.

As first reported by the Texas Tribune, Perry’s surgery included “the innovative use of his own adult stem cells” and any cost not covered by health insurance was paid for by Perry, according to his spokesman Mark Miner.

(it should be noted that the procedure has not as of yet been approved by the FDA, and Perry is the first one to recieve it)

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

Thank you gekster

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 10:32PM EST (link)

there is article after article out there that prove that Perry’s stem cell surgery had absolutely nothing to do with embryonic stem cells. congressworksforus is an outright liar, and someone who just is trying to create an argument where none exists.

 
 
 

congressworksforus- Admit right now that you have lied

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 10:14PM EST (link)

You are a lying piece of garbage.

 

Perry's own stem cells

cheetah2 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 10:16PM EST (link)

were used in the surgery. That has been common knowledge since he got in the race.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60659.html

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I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222

 

congressworksforus: Do not come here with your lies.

pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 5:28AM EST (link)

NO embryonic stem cells were used in his surgery – HE USED HIS OWN!! Would you like to retract that statement you threw out there?

You are the drive-by!

 
 
 
 
 

actually

WA_Cowboy (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:00PM EST (link)

I just think people don’t listen

“If you put the Federal Government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” – Milton Friedman

 

Just to be clear, federalfarmer1 .. you're saying it's not Perry's policies or positions...

acat (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:12PM EST (link)

it’s literally his personality .. ?

Well, I suppose I’ve heard weirder reasons to not support someone…

Mew

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inability to defend and advance conservatism

federalfarmer1 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:20PM EST (link)

As demonstrated by debate performances and previous record. I don’t trust him to debate Obama, to make good personnel decisions, or to prioritize conservative causes. He’s a good guy, decent politician, but not a transformative figure to take on too comfortable gop establishment types and stand up to the press. Of course Newt could implode like Cain, and I won’t vote romney, so I could end up supporting again.

i suggest you check out

WA_Cowboy (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:24PM EST (link)

his DC reform plan.

might change your mind about the transformative bit.

“If you put the Federal Government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” – Milton Friedman

 

Perry

greyeagle Wednesday, November 16th at 8:24PM EST (link)

His record? He has a strong record in TX. I should know, I am from there and have voted for him 3 times. He is a staunch conservative. Obama needs a teleprompter, Rick doesn’t. You don’t think he will make good personnel decisions? Wow! You think Obama has? Perry has made good choices in TX with all his appointees and conservative causes. I don’t know what you are referring to.

 

Perry on Hannity tonight

onenationundrgod Thursday, November 17th at 5:04AM EST (link)

Hannity asked him about who he thought Obama is…Perry gave very good insite into who he thnks Obama is. IMHO Perry does have his number he is in the position of strength here, he knows his oposition!! Perry will win any debate with truth and confidence against Obama. Perry is not fighting for the office he is fighting for we the people, huge difference…conviction and strength, that is what is aparent here.

 

Perry on Hannity tonight

onenationundrgod Thursday, November 17th at 5:04AM EST (link)

Hannity asked him about who he thought Obama is…Perry gave very good insite into who he thnks Obama is. IMHO Perry does have his number he is in the position of strength here, he knows his oposition!! Perry will win any debate with truth and confidence against Obama. Perry is not fighting for the office he is fighting for we the people, huge difference…conviction and strength, that is what is aparent here.

 
 
 
 
 

Perry fans: hold the ground, and for his detractors

circlegranch Thursday, November 17th at 6:34AM EST (link)

that have a problem with a group of folks here that share news, support and encouragement, eventually you’ll know which names have probably made a comment you don’t want to read. retire05 expressed it well here that we don’t really have a ‘home’. Fox has been unnecessarily unfriendly to the Perry campaign, although his investment of nearly a million in advertising may help soften their edges. A perfect case in point about an apparent aversion came yesterday from Gretchen Carlson. She and the guys had a brief discussion about Perry’s proposals regarding term limits for judges, part-time Congressmen, etc. Ms. Carlson made a snarky comment that she thinks he only came up with that as a way to try and restart his campaign. Do ya, think, Gretchen? He’s in this to win it; he’s going to be rolling out policy proposals right and left and spending money. He will be in your face every time you watch TV or read something online. What do you think he should do, Gretchen? Sit back and do nothing and just hope he gets more exposure and friendly reporting on his behalf? If he leaves his campaign’s future up to the likes of YOU, he isn’t going to far, is he?

It seems no matter how many emails Fox hosts get, asking not for personal opinion, but rather just report the dang news and keep your bias out of it, they simply can’t resist. However, Hannity did give Perry some radio time this week during which the gov did extremely well. The big talkers on radio have often dismissed him and for some reason unknown to alot of us, have developed a sophomoric crush on Herman Cain. Some say its a circling of the wagons simply because he’s a talker himself; I think its because he jabs the media and that provides a great amount of satisfaction. The Right and Left media are in constant war with each other so any score on the other team is a victory. Consider also, Perry has a lapse of memory at a debate and all we heard was, ‘ITS OVER’. Cain does the same at an interview this week and he gets defended. Yet, none of them will come out and say, “Hey, folks, I’m announcing today that I am a Cain supporter so you’re going to hear alot of fawning and praise for him, 3 hours a day, 5 days a week.” Instead, they sit back and claim to have not yet picked a favorite. Rush has said he won’t make a pick because if he’s wrong, it would hurt his career, yet for the last month if he really thinks his listeners can’t tell where his affection lies, I’ll eat the Golden EIB microphone. We’re just being alot more honest. If you don’t like what Rush is spewing, you shut him off. If you don’t like reading positives on Rick Perry, there are many commenters here you should not click on.

So, for all of you folks that find it distasteful, uncomfortable or downright unacceptable that a large Perry following has found a home here at RS, all we can tell you is, again, avoid posts from names that you know going in are going to pro-Perry. It’s not just that we believe and support him, we (or most of us) are moving away from the formerly trusted sources of news and info. More and more of us are watching CNN (especially when EE is on).

The bottom line is, none of us knows how this will shake out. There is an enormous nation-wide effort underpinned with a boatload of money to get Romney on the ticket. At the same time, most Americans can’t even name one person running for the GOP nomination. Alot of money will be spent and alot of rhetoric will flow under the bridge before this is over. For Perry supporters, we saw our candidate come out of the shute getting slammed by the likes of Michelle Malkin and a few other high profile opinion-peddlers. He spent the first 8 weeks trying to dodge arrows. Just as Cain folks can find every excuse under the sun for their guy and the Romney supporters are unashamed to have very short memories regarding their guy’s moderate track record, we also feel a duty to put the best construction on our candidate. We will tell the story of his record and successes. We want people to know that he also has had one wife, has a wonderful family and a deep and abiding faith in Jesus Christ. We aren’t ashamed of that. We love it that he wants to send Congress packin’ if they can’t get their work done. I heard one member say yesterday its not just a full time job, but a double time position. Yet, when its time for a holiday or summer break or recess, they sure know how to hustle and get done so they can have their vacations. A whole bunch of them ought to spend less time standing in front of TV camera’s in the hallways of Congress spouting off and get to work instead. Sounds like alot of them have too much time on their hands for some ‘extra curricular’ activity, as well. Only in govt., whether its elected officials or otherwise, can people look so busy while doing nothing.

If I’ve offended anyone here with what has been construed as attacks on other candidates, I try only to report here what I learn from other sources, tell the truth for those that have blinders on and inject a little humor here and there. As Herman always says, “America needs to get a sense of humor.” We’d all do well to remember that. If you’re writing here and you’re a liberal trying to disguise yourself, it ain’t working. We’ll have a little fun with you because you ask for it. If you’re truly undecided about candidates and find comments here offensive, take ownership in your own knowledge and research. Join the Party of Know and dig and find out facts on your own. There are some of us here that invest basically the equivalent of a half time job (or more) doing research so when we opine we’ve got some solid information to back it.

Enjoy the lively exchange of conversation, learn, research, be informed, be polite and if you can’t do any of that, maybe The Huffington Post is calling you home.

Steady as she goes on this end, circleg, and that

pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 6:49AM EST (link)

will not change. I know what I have in a candidate, so why on earth would I search for another? And I agree with every word you wrote – you are correct in what you say.

As for Gretchen – this is the first I’ve heard of her saying that, but that is because it is seldom that Fox is on my tv. So who is Gretchen anyway? She is a former Miss America or whatever, so that makes her an expert? I’m just so offended by most of Fox these days and have been for a long time – long before finding RS. They would do well to consider just how many of the formerly committed-to-Fox folks they have lost.

Thanks for your great post, circle – you write excellent ones always, though.

 
 
 
 
 

Media

proud2btexasmom Wednesday, November 16th at 4:36PM EST (link)

The media doesn’t like Perry and that includes Fox.
Another good reason to support him.
Perry 2012

Gov. Perry has found his voice; he's being himself,

circlegranch Wednesday, November 16th at 7:29PM EST (link)

relaxing and taking it a day at time. I think he’s stopped listening to the critics and started calling on the Lord. He’s doing great this week and he needs only to keep it up: be himself, follow his heart, surround himself with trustworthy people, and most importantly, let go and let God.

To our Perry commenter here, federalfarmer, please feel free to update your education regarding Gov. Perry’s past record and current beliefs. Find them at his state website as governor, www.rickperry.org and www.makeamericagreatagain.com Read, listen, learn and you’ll see what we see very soon. With a groundswell of support, Gov. Perry will blossom in this campaign.

Just now, the very liberal FOX host, Shep Smith, talked about Constitutional Carry (and he didn’t sound in favor of it). Gov. Perry supports it and has already went to work with a number of Republican governors making it possible for Texans to carry their guns into those states. He’s also the NRA endorsed candidate: that’s the National Rifle Assoc., not the restaurant thing we’ve heard enough about in another campaign.

The Des Moines Register is reporting that Newt won’t release his records regarding Freddie Mac. Hmmm……..

IT’S NOT OVER!

 
 

The way the media is treating Perry reminds me of a bible story

westcoastpatriette (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 4:53PM EST (link)

about King David. When he was but a lad, the Lord told the prophet Samuel to go to the house of Jesse and the Lord would show Samuel who to anoint as the new king of Israel to replace the corrupt King Saul. Jesse had eight sons and David was the youngest. It was so outside the realm of belief that the prophet might have come to anoint David, that David remained out in the fields taking care of the sheep while Samuel looked over all of the older, more “appropriate” sons of Jesse. One by one, Samuel rejected the older brothers. Samuel then insisted that Jesse bring in David and sure enough, the Lord confirmed to Samuel that he was God’s choice.

That’s how the media treat Rick Perry. Like he’s not worth a second thought. But we shall soon see the truth of the matter that in spite of all of the dissing of Perry, he may yet prove to be God’s choice.

Sorry. Just thought the bible story was soooo fitting.

Perry Needs Good Finish in Iowa

Spartan4Life (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:05PM EST (link)

I told my wife last night that I think the story coming out of Iowa will be the “Perry surprise”. He may not win but I think he needs to be in Top 3. There is plenty of time.

If people in Iowa would read what 999 is all about

izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:13PM EST (link)

They would not support Cain at all…..
999 will raise most peoples taxes.
Except for the ones in the 1%, their
taxes will go down.
How many millionaires live in Iowa?

And in Florida – senior citizens….
Perry will not only cut your taxes….
You won’t have to pay any tax on your Social Security benefits.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

Lots of millionaires in Iowa.

Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 8:29PM EST (link)

They are the ones selling price supported corn to be made into a crappy form of gasoline.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

The crappy gasoline

onenationundrgod Thursday, November 17th at 5:32AM EST (link)

That Newt supports, and Perry said he doesn’t agree should be subsidized, across the board no subsidies for any energy, that is what my not please the Iowans much.

 

RS Perry fans: you must begin commenting at the Des Moines Register

circlegranch Thursday, November 17th at 7:55AM EST (link)

just be aware you have to comment through Facebook, though. The ethanol lobbyists and libs in general are being pretty tough on Perry. Speaking of ethanol subsidies, there’s a story this morning at www.washingtonexaminer.com that reports Newt’s consulting firm works the crowd in D.C., to continue support of ethanol subsidies and that they did the same thing to pump up support for Bush’s Medicare Part D. At some point, when does one stop being a consultant in Washington and start being a lobbyist? Newt is going to have to come clean on this. He’s been asked to release his memo’s as a consultant for Freddie Mac and its reported that his campaign is refusing.

Ethanol is now a multi-billion dollar industry. They must go it alone. We cannot afford to subsidize this anymore. The world is starving and food prices are soaring. In my humble opinion, God made oil and coal for a reason and He made food for a reason. We can’t eat coal, now can we?

 
 
 
 

Good analogy, Sister!

changeforrickperry Wednesday, November 16th at 5:19PM EST (link)

And remember how surprised Samuel was? Nevertheless, the Lord looked on the heart. (I love talking to my brothers and sisters in Christ on RedState; it’s so encouraging!)

I just watched the ad and thought it was wonderful. Wow, Perry was very courageous and firm. No wonder that crony of Nancy Pelosi’s–I forget his name, Steny Something-Or-Another–was scared. Congress’ party is officially over on President Perry’s inauguration day. Thank goodness.
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I was just thinking about this story the other day

windwaker24 Wednesday, November 16th at 5:31PM EST (link)

in regards to Perry and the GOP’s search for “The Perfect One.” Thanks for posting!

 

king david had a ton of baggage

federalfarmer1 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:41PM EST (link)

And he committed adultery. Sounds more like Newt or Cain. Id say Perry is more like Moses or Jesus, delivering us unworthy wicked people to the promised land, Texas.

I think you are right, federalfarmer1.

paladin1 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 10:00PM EST (link)

The latest statistics out today showed that population movement in the US was very stagnant with almost no one relocating—except to Texas which was #1 in new state residents from other parts of the US at 75,000 per year. The information accompanying the stats said that it was becasuse that was where the JOBS are!

Perry can be Moses; Go Gov.!

P.S.–But Governor, try not to bring too many Democrats!

“I will work every day to make Washington, DC as inconsequential in your life as I can.”

Governor Rick Perry, Texas

And now he brings the fight back home to Texas. What a man of class! 01/19/12

 
 

Thanks for this, westcoastpatriette

cheetah2 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:23PM EST (link)

I read this Bible passage recently and I also related it to Perry in his struggles.

Especially this- “for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.” 1 Samuel 16:7b

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Amen, cheetah2. nt

westcoastpatriette (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:27PM EST (link)

 
 

King David

Lucas Black Wednesday, November 16th at 6:55PM EST (link)

King David did not swagger up to the prophet Samuel boasting about how he had killed wild animals with his sidearm (even though he had done just that) and was far from tongue-tied.

So, just what is your point, lucasblack?

westcoastpatriette (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 7:02PM EST (link)

It completely eludes me.

Perrry is not King David

Lucas Black Wednesday, November 16th at 7:11PM EST (link)

That Rick Perry is very different from King David, and not in a good way.

 

kowalski: nevermind, lucas, I get it. You're one of David's older jealous brothers.

westcoastpatriette (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 7:13PM EST (link)

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Candidates have to create their own buzz

JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 9:04PM EST (link)

I supported Fred in 2008 with more intensity than I support Perry in 2012, but one thing the both had in common was supporters complaining about media coverage.

Do voters often disappoint me? Sure. Obama won the general in 2008. McCain beat Fredin South Carolina in 2008—something I still can’t really come to grips with. I wish voters (and the media) would have shared by fondness of Steve Forbes in 1996, but they didn’t and they wouldn’t if he ran in 2016.

Blaming voters or blaming the media is like blaming bullets or blaming weather in wartime. The battlefield is the battlefied. Candidates need to find a way to win.

The only good thing about this campaign season is that people have pulled of their blinders as to the merits of Fox News (flawed, but still best in class) and talk radio (an army focused on a different enemy).

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

I liked Fred too...

conservativeparrothead Wednesday, November 16th at 9:26PM EST (link)

The one area I thought the media I think aided McCain was coming out of Iowa. The old thinking is that there are “three tickets punched out of Iowa”. If you go back and look at the results from those, Thompson finished 3rd, just ahead of McCain. But because McCain did better than expected because of his ethanol stance along with Obama and Huckabee’s surprising wins, Fred got little to no exposure.

McCain’s 4th showing was actually a bit more “news” than Thompson’s 3rd.

Fred’s debate performance was a little “flat” as I recall, I remember watching a few of the early debates and maybe I was expecting more, but he was pretty underwhelming.

It's

Lucas Black Thursday, November 17th at 11:34AM EST (link)

It’s about expectations. McCain exceeded his in Iowa back in 2008 and Fred fell below his. McCain had more or less ignored the state whereas Fred had put some of his markers down there. The media (correctly) picked up on the McCain surge but most of the press was orgasmic over Obama at the time anyway and the GOP race was a sideshow.
I’m no fan of Perry, but I’ll give him this; unlike Fred, he sure as hell isn’t lazy!

 
 
 

Like He Said...Washington Doesn't Want To See Me There ...Anymore Than the Devil Wants to Drink Holy Water

carolynr Wednesday, November 16th at 9:19PM EST (link)

The DC insiders do not want this man here. Imagine his idea that they they should have a balanced budget amendment passed…or they lose their pay…NOT OUR MONEY..IMAGINE that…I bet they would get their behinds in gear then.

 
 

and that is exactly why

sta46 Wednesday, November 16th at 4:54PM EST (link)

all the dems and “establishment” rinos and that miserable little jerk Karl Rove all absolutely HATE Rick Perry… they all know he is the only one with the guts to do exactly that.

 

Just saw Perry's ad on CNN

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:12PM EST (link)

And that’s some free advertising right there. I believe it was the forehead Paul Begala, whose forehead could hold the entire dictionary in readable type, that said that no one should call Obama a socialist. In the ad Perry says that Obama’s “policies” are socialist. Of course we wouldn’t expect the liberals to do anything but take things out of context, especially against the candidate that is the biggest threat to Obama.

The ad is great, it shows a very likable guy, who you know you would feel very safe with. The most positive thing said about Bush was that he made so many Americans feel safe from the terrorists, but I had a tremendous problem with some of his domestic policies, especially with TARP. Perry would bring that safe feeling, and I know he would never disappoint me with fiscal irresponsibility, in promoting liberal programs, and reaching across the aisle, particularly with people like Ted Kennedy.

Come to think of it.....

izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:14PM EST (link)

Romney had many policies in Mass that were “socialist”.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

That's why goformitt

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:35PM EST (link)

has to depend on leftist sites to back up his arguments for Mitt. Birds of a feather I guess.

 
 
 

Great Ad

CarolT (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 5:51PM EST (link)

I hope and pray that more people pay attention to Rick Perry and his ads. He is attacking Obama, and not giving ammo to the dems next year by attacking the other GOP candidates.
I think it is a great ad. Who cars what Rove likes? I’m sure he’d rather have Obama win than Perry next year. He’ll get 4 more years on Fox to complain about Obama.

 

It's time to take obama head on

Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 6:10PM EST (link)

Great ad, contrast this with McCain falling all over himself showing how he bends over to appease his friends across the aisle.

I wish this Perry would show up at the debates more often!

Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from, behind, the Back Nine.
Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.

 

Hey guys

superpatriot Wednesday, November 16th at 7:02PM EST (link)

What does everyone think of Perry going after Obama now, even before the primaries have begun??

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Does he know something we don’t?

Very interesting………

I beleive

cheetah2 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 8:23PM EST (link)

Perry has chosen his foe, Washington DC. and the establishment. Everything he has done this week has furthered the goal of establishing himself as the authentic outsider running for POTUS.

My reaction to him this week is that he says what I feel. I hope it resonates with MANY others as well!

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"I believe"

cheetah2 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 8:24PM EST (link)

is what I meant to write.:)

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Perry at 7 percent

buckedup Wednesday, November 16th at 8:36PM EST (link)

According to fox news poll – Perry 5th in GOP race.

Wrote To Some of The TPM E-Mails And Said

carolynr Wednesday, November 16th at 9:03PM EST (link)

Synopsis….You people yelled and screamed about limited government, out of control spending and the Constitution. Well…so did I. Now you have your person in front of your eyes…RECORD AND ALL and you want style over substance…not to mention that you trust the spin docs rather than you gut.

Governor Perry 2012.

 

Perry in polls

superpatriot Wednesday, November 16th at 9:29PM EST (link)

Perry is 12% in a recent CNN poll, right behind Cain.

Polls mean absolutely nothing in elections. Just ask Rudy Guliani and Mitt Romney.

 

7%, 12%, who cares?

congressworksforus (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 9:44PM EST (link)

Takes about 2 weeks to rise in a race. First vote is still 2 months away…

Remember, if the left wins, abortion will not only be legal, it will be mandatory.

 
 

Newt

carolynr Wednesday, November 16th at 8:41PM EST (link)

Listened for just a little on Fox News…Charles Krauthammer was not too complimentary about Gingrich….it seems Newt was receiving quite a bit of money … NOT FOR ONE YEAR…but FIVE from Freddie Mac.

So…what do we have here…another Romney? Voted for NAFTA, Cap and Trade, In favor of Obamacare…and there is more. This Freddie Mac thing is what led to the housing debacle.

Anyone following Newt's career

clintonformccain Wednesday, November 16th at 9:10PM EST (link)

I’m not sure that anyone who was around to follow Newt’s career n the 90′s will be too complimentary. He did a great deal of damage to the Republican Party.

 

Document found that touched off the mortgage meltdown - what did Newt know?

izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 9:18PM EST (link)


Document found that touched off the mortgage meltdown

[In 1994] the federal government declared war on an enemy — the racist lender — who officials claimed was to blame for differences in homeownership rate, and launched what would prove the costliest social crusade in U.S. history.

At President Clinton’s direction, no fewer than 10 federal agencies issued a chilling ultimatum to banks and mortgage lenders to ease credit for lower-income minorities or face investigations for lending discrimination and suffer the related adverse publicity. They also were threatened with denial of access to the all-important secondary mortgage market and stiff fines, along with other penalties.

The threat was codified in a 20-page “Policy Statement on Discrimination in Lending” and entered into the Federal Register on April 15, 1994, by the Interagency Task Force on Fair Lending. Clinton set up the little-known body to coordinate an unprecedented crackdown on alleged bank redlining.

So this document was out when Newt started consulting with Fannie Mae in 1999 as an “historian”.


Gingrich reportedly paid between $1.6 and $1.8 million by Freddie Mac

Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich was paid between $1.6 and $1.8 million in consulting fees by Freddie Mac according to officials within the organization, Bloomberg reports.
What, exactly, Gingrich did for Freddie Mac during the eight years he worked with them is the subject of dispute. During the recent CNBC debate, Gingrich said he worked for the firm as a “historian” who warned them about the housing bubble and advised them that their lending practices were “insane.”
Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae have been blamed for sparking the subprime mortgage crisis by using their taxpayer backing to guarantee risky housing loans for private banks.
The Freddie Mac officials who talked to Bloomberg, however, say Gingrich never questioned their business model or their lending practices, and never brought up the bubble.
“What he did was provide counsel on public policy issues,” Mitchell Delk, Freddie Mac’s chief lobbyist and Gingrich’s main contact in the organization, told Bloomberg. “There was no expectation that he would do any lobbying, and he did not do any lobbying.”

Hmmmmmm, did Newt know about the “Policy Statement on Discrimination in Lending” document? After all this was part of the Fannie Mae
“history” and Newt was a so-called “historian”. So what is it Newt?

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 

I don't think he'll last too long, Miss Carolyn

changeforrickperry Wednesday, November 16th at 9:19PM EST (link)

Of course, I never thought Cain would’ve lasted this long, but he’s sure fallen with a bang, hasn’t he? I’m not seeing the enthusiasm with Newt, however, that I saw with Cain, so he might just have a few weeks in the sun. And then? Perry gets a big second look from everybody, and if he does well in Iowa’s Saturday forum and again in the debate next Tuesday, Thanksgiving dinners across the country should be quite interesting events.

Persevere, keep the faith, full speed ahead!
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Gingrich is one of those candidates that I won't be excited about, but will vote for nevertheless.

sunshinek67 (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 10:02PM EST (link)

It will be D.C. as usual fare if he were to actually win the Presidency. I am old enough to remember everything (44), so no, I’m not thrilled with the prospect of him, his past, his present and most likely his future, all troublesome and controversial. But he can debate. And again, I have to remember that goofy Ann Coulter segment last nite on Hannity (somebody say a prayer that I can let Fox go), she could easily play the part of Simon Cowell. All she can say, and quite giddily and flush, Romney can debate brilliantly.

This American Political Idol contest for debater in chief is asinine. You know, Kenneth Blackwell had an excellent article the other day recalling the history of Thomas Jefferson of all people, terrible orator but absolutely brilliant with the pen.

Somebody show me in the book of rules where the prerequisite to be President is to have mastered debate skills, never mind if you are coreless and riddled in scandal, but debate skills are first, even if you don’t believe or telling the truth with what you are saying in 30-60 second sound bites.

 
 

This ad doesn't make sense.

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 9:05PM EST (link)

What on earth do Obama’s comments have to do with a Balanced Budget Amendment or cutting Congressional pay? For that matter, IIRC Obama’s statement was made in the context of the Pacific-Latin America free trade zone, and thus it seems to me that the only fair way to interpret those statements is that *politicians* are not doing enough to sell the US abroad as a place to do business (which is why he has to go abroad). You can agree or disagree with that statement, but it’s not clear that he’s calling Americans lazy given that context. The only thing lazy here is the commercial, IMO, which is disjointed and uninteresting in presentation and style.

I did like that last part about stopping Obama from bankrupting America, though.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

Yeah. Republicans shouldn't pick on Barry like that!

clintonformccain Wednesday, November 16th at 9:11PM EST (link)

He’s doing a helluva job in the Oval office. Republicans should be really nice to him in their ads!

Beat me to it. (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 9:23PM EST (link)

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We will beat up Obama everyday with every stupid sound byte he provides

izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 9:30PM EST (link)

I see Obama as the socialist who keeps giving us conservatives ammo to blow him out of the oval office.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 
 

Not about picking on Obama

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 10:19PM EST (link)

It’s about making sense. An ad can’t be effective if it doesn’t make sense upon even perfunctory inspection, and if the quote that leads into it is dishonestly quoted and completely irrelevant to the ad’s purpose (to make voters aware of Perry’s support of a BBA). It’s the same strategery that led Perry to make comments supportive of birthers, and showcases a lack of message discipline that Perry needs to rectify if he wants to be the Republican nominee.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 
 

It's about attitude and point of view...

kamiller42 Wednesday, November 16th at 10:07PM EST (link)

The quote shows Obama putting America down again while he should be promoting her greatness, competitiveness, and can-do spirit, which leads us into what Perry is saying. The attitude of Perry’s message is what’s holding back America’s competitiveness is the irresponsible behavior of politicians in D.C., and here are the ways it can be fixed. This idea is reinforced by the usual of two different video filters, the darker, blurry one used for Obama and the bright, hopeful, colorful one used for Perry.

I hope this explains helps you understand the ad.

Except that Obama isn't doing that in the quote provided

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 10:34PM EST (link)

Quite the opposite, in fact. More importantly, the ad is not clearly communicating what you are saying that it is communicating: it jumps from criticizing Obama for not believing in America’s industriousness, to declaring support for the BBA, to saying that congressional pay will somehow be cut if the BBA doesn’t pass — something I was unaware that a President could do, but that’s neither here nor there. The background is uninteresting and too placid to hold the viewer’s attention.

There are really two messages that the ad attempts to communicate, and it is communicating both poorly. IMO, this ad should have been split into two ads. One would lead with a Barack Obama quote downplaying American can-do spirit similar to the one starting this ad, and Rick Perry would say something to the contrary contrary (i.e., Americans are willing to work). He would then show how his energy/jobs plan will get America back to work. The ad could intersperse cutaways to working Americans or something to break up the visual monotony of seeing Rick Perry talk at you in front of a bunch of trees. Another would lead with a blurb about out-of-control politics/government in America, then talk about how the BBA and cutting politician salaries would be a solution.

These are just off the top of my head — and they’re pretty pathetically straightforward. I’m sure that some unemployed Media Arts major whinging at OWS could come up with better ideas than mine, or (gasp!) a professional in the business. Whatever this ad did, it did not communicate those ideas effectively or firmly; it just splashed them on the screen and hoped that you noticed. If anything is noticed or talked about regarding this ad, it will be the inaccurate quote. Gee, great: a national conversation about whether Rick Perry is dishonestly quoting Obama. Regardless of how that particular squabble turns out, it’s lower than what his campaign should be aiming for when it comes to ads airing on television.

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To further clarify...

kamiller42 Wednesday, November 16th at 11:24PM EST (link)

Shrinking the government and its unlimited credit card would leave more capital in the private market, resulting in a healthier private market. A healthy private market makes America more competitive globally, and making America more competitive is what Obama should be doing rather than saying we’ve been lazy.

Even in the context of foreign investment in America, he’s wrong, as this report show… http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS21857.pdf

He offered cutting congress’ pay if they didn’t pass a balanced budget amendment. He didn’t say who would make the push for the cut. He didn’t say he alone would do it. It could be a cooperative effort between the president, some congressmen, and the people.

If you need more clarification, I suggest you follow the web address in the commercial: www.rickperry.org

 

Do you seriously think that Barack Hussein Obama

clintonformccain Wednesday, November 16th at 11:44PM EST (link)

is going to play fair and square with HIS advertising against the Republicans in this election? Screw him.

BTW, I found the Perry ad to be powerfullly effective against a one of Obama’s fundamental weaknesses.

"Hussein"

buddyp (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 11:57PM EST (link)

It’s so frickin’ lame for people to ridicule Obama by including his middle name. It’s obviously supposed to be some implication that he is or might be a Muslim or that there’s something foreign about him and thus he’s not fully “American” and his loyalty to the country is suspect.

It’s embarrassing and counterproductive for opposition to him because it makes the speaker sound like a bigoted and/or paranoid jack–s who some folks in the middle (who are needed to win a presidential election and most Senate elections) will think is representative of conservatives.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, you’ll say “Hey man, it’s just his middle name”. Tell that to someone who doesn’t know it’s obvious what you’re doing, or who will pretend along with you that there’s nothing malicious to it along the lines I’ve described. I’m sure there are some who will back you up, sincerely or due to absurd bias to which they are somehow oblivious.

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Cool story bro (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 12:08AM EST (link)

….

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?

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 12:26AM EST (link)

Help me out here. What are you saying?

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When he says that, it means that....

gekster (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 12:50AM EST (link)

you have made a comment that is so idiotic in it’s content, that… uhhh.
Why explain it to you.
You wouldn’t have a clue to what I mean anyway.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

 

buddyp

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 2:08AM EST (link)

Must be New

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bad sign?

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 3:37AM EST (link)

I sure hope that isn’t a bad sign (padon the pun) that the responses I’ve gotten on this thread ARE representative of the quality of discussion here on RS. Sure hope not. I guess I’ll find out soon enough.

Erickson is awesome on TV and I like his posts on RS too. When he’s discussing and debating on TV he shows what quality in such an activity is all about. I hope at least some portion of folks here consider that a good model, not the empty snark, ad hominem, paranoia, non sequitur-fest exhibited by responses to me on this thread so far.

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Psst

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 5:00AM EST (link)

RedState isn’t a debate society.

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something wrong?

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 8:57AM EST (link)

What does that mean? Is there something unacceptable here about my expressing the view I expressed re: usage of “Hussein”? Or something unacceptable about my responding to those who mock my comment by asking them to actually say something substantive as to why they disagree?

Seriously, did I do something that conflicts with RS rules re: “a debate society”, whatever that means?

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I love it when you say that!

jakeofalltrades (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 12:34AM EST (link)

n/t

substance

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 12:40AM EST (link)

If that line from him is indicating disagreement, I much prefer a substantive argument to vacuous snark. YMMV.

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A vacuous reply to a vacuous remark

jakeofalltrades (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 12:43AM EST (link)

made by a vacuous person.

what an ironic reply

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 12:50AM EST (link)

I refer you back to my prior comment, this time applied to you. Have anything substantive to say? If so, I’d welcome it. But if all you can manage is empty snark as a poor substitute for substance, so be it.

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buddyp

Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 2:10AM EST (link)

Haters

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buddyp, you got one part in a sentance right.

gekster (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 12:11AM EST (link)

“his loyalty to the country is suspect.”
Since he has been in office, all he has ried to do is take down this country
sa as to build it in his leftist marxist way.
If you havn’t seen that by now, all I can take from this is you are an Obama apologist.
Wake up and get real.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

Oh please

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 12:25AM EST (link)

I’m talking about intent, not results. If you think his desire is to ruin the country and make the American people destitute and miserable, or perhaps conquered and occupied or whatever evil scheme one could imagine and attribute to some Manchurian president, they you are a very loose grip on reality, and I hope you learn to distinguish between a guy who wishes to harm vs. a guy whose policy objectives will cause harm on a scale he doesn’t foresee.

But my guess is that you’re a guy who just likes to engage in wild, hyperbolic ridicule as catharsis, so I doubt any of the above will register with you.

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buddyp, I can give one example.

gekster (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 12:43AM EST (link)

Obama says we need energy independence.
Obama says we need jobs.
All I have to say is Keystone Pipeline.
One that will help with both.

And I am set in reality.
He has done what he can to take down this country as we know it.
Go ahead and play apologist for Obama all you want.
I would have to say you are either blind, or willfully ignorant.
Or even a socialist yourself.
I don’t care which.

And pointing out what he has done is not hyperbolic ridicule.
It is the truth.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

hmm, how 'bout some perspective maybe?

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 1:07AM EST (link)

I see. So a politician does something (to serve his political interest) that he may think is suboptimal for the country, and in your eyes that translates into clear evidence that his goal is the destruction of the country. I suggest you acquire a sense of perspective.

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Lets put it another way, buddyp.

gekster (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 1:28AM EST (link)

What has he done to build up this country.
His healthcare. Even his own CBO says that it is ruinous.
His stimulas. All that did was stimulate the unions, who gave some of that money back to the Dem party. And he himself said that the shovel ready jobs were not that shovel ready.
His apology tour. All that did was embolden our enemies.
His green jobs fund. Crony politics that paid off some of his biggest doners.
One of which was recently found out to be a Kennedy.
His tax break. That lowered the taxes taken out to fund social security, which is now going bankrupt faster.
His energy policy. That has cost thousands of jobs in the Gulf oil industry, and made our demand for foriegn raise. And the Keystone pieline, which would create jobs, and we get our oil from a friend, not a Middle East enemy.
His 500 plus regulations. That has already stiffled alot of small businesses from starting, and has caused many to shut down.
His EPA regulations. Those that have the effect of puttting higher costs on electricity producers, and as a result, causing a rise in electricity costs.
And don’t forget the Delta Smelt. When the rains got sparse in California, the water sent to the farms in the San Wuaquine vally was diverted to save a meaningless three inch fish, which could have been put in aqueriums until the water came back.
His fast and Furious program. A failed attemt to try to regulate guns that went horribly bad. Just ask the Widows.

I could go on, but you tell me what Obama has done to promote and enrich this country.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

non sequitur

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 1:53AM EST (link)

Even if his policies and other policies he’s sought are generally bad for the country, that doesn’t mean he thinks they are bad for the country and seeks them because he thinks hurting America is a good thing. That’s the only point I’m making. As I said, loyalty is a matter of intent, not results. Do you understand that distinction? You’re saying his judgment sucks and/or his priorities don’t fit America’s priorities. I’m not disputing that. I’m just saying it doesn’t mean he is like some agent seeking to destroy the country. Get it?

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So since you have no answer you obfuscate.

gekster (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 2:10AM EST (link)

Yes, I think he is willfully making policy to hurt the country.
He isn’t that dumb to not know what he is doing.
And I don’t think he is loyal at all.
His actions have proved that time and again.
And is he an agent seeking to destroy this country, yes he is.
Just because he is an American does not mean he doesn’t want to do harm to the US.
That is one thing he keeps repeatedly doing, time and again.
I have no idea why you are being an apoligist for him.

I will again ask, just what has he done to enhance this country.
I don’t want nothing else.
You think he is so good, tell me just one thing.
And saying he ordered Bin Ladin killed won’t do. Panettta made the call.
And I can back that up.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

Really, get a grip

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 2:27AM EST (link)

I’m no apologist for Obama. I just have a sense of perspective, common sense, and a grip on reality.

I wasn’t “obfuscating”, I was just pointing out that even if he hasn’t done much good for the country, and even if his policies in general have been bad for the country, it’s a non sequitur to conclude that his objective is to destroy the country. But apparently you are too far gone for anything I say to register with you. I’ll leave you with the delusion (or rhetoric that you know is ridiculously hyperbolic) that apparently fills some emotional need for you. ok, feel free to keep feeling sure (or pretending to feel sure) that “he is an agent seeking to destroy the country”. I can imagine how it might be emotionally convenient for some people to reflexively conclude that people they disagree with or compete with politically are evil enemies.

Anyway, we should probably both make a note that dialogue with each other is unlikely to be worthwhile. I’ll try to remember your handle.

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So instead of naming just '1' thing Obama has done that's good for the country, you go after me.

gekster (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 2:41AM EST (link)

You can’t name one because he hasn’t done anything in his three years that is good for the country.
Do you see who you are defending.
a man that hasn’t done one thing benificial for this country in his three years as President.
I see that it is much easier to go after me than say what Obama has done ‘for’ this country.
I see you for what you are. An Obama apoligist and a marxist.
Only a marxist would have a good view of Obama, and support him.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

LOL !!

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 3:25AM EST (link)

I must say, you do have chuckle value. I really did actually laugh out loud at your remarks:

I see you for what you are. An Obama apoligist and a marxist.
Only a marxist would have a good view of Obama, and support him.

I’m very much a free market capitalist (by ideology and profession); I do not “have a good view of Obama”, and I do not “support him”. I don’t consider it “supporting” him to point out that someone’s bigoted or paranoid rhetorical devise (“Hussein”) is not only distasteful but also bad for the conservative cause, or to point out that it’s crazy to think that Obama wakes up each day thinking “How can I do as much as possible to destroy this country, because I hate this country and its people so much” as apparently you think he does.

I did just think of something good he did. Killing bin Laden. But that’s really beside the point. You live in an imaginary world of fabricated absolutes, with good people who say and think just like you, and everyone else evil. Most people have a better grip on reality.

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oh, and...

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 3:31AM EST (link)

Oh, and lest anyone jump on my shorthand, when I say “killing bin Laden”, I don’t mean to give him the same credit I give the Seals who deserve our admiration and gratitude on an entirely different level. I was just referring to his decision to go for it and do so as they did (apparently without telling the Pakistani government, military or ISI).

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Two words of warning . . .

patriot4freedom Thursday, November 17th at 4:05AM EST (link)

“buddyp” – “posting rules”
From the looks of the comments here, you should definitely go back and read the two postings by Neil Stevens, who I believe is one of the moderators here. They have the pictures of Gene Wilder and the cartoon turtle “hater”. You’ll notice that he has no message for you, but included a link to the posting rules here, which specifically warn against personal attacks on other posters. I believe that calling someone here an “idiot”, or attacking their intelligence, probably crosses that line. I would take those posts as an indication that you’re at risk of losing your access if you keep it up.
Just a friendly bit of advice . . .

single or double standard?

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 9:01AM EST (link)

Is there a single standard on that practice of banning for personal attacks, or is it used selectively as a pretext for banning someone who expresses some view that isn’t very popular here, like perhaps my view re: usage of “Hussein”?

I hope it’s a single standard. Otherwise, the practice or habit of banning people for “personal attacks” as a mere pretext would be incredibly lame.

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oh, and...

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 9:04AM EST (link)

Oh, and I was called a closet Marxist apologist for Obama. I’d rather be called an idiot, particularly since being called what I was called implies I’m an idiot anyway, and adds additional insult.

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.....while he hid on the golf course......

avagreen Thursday, November 17th at 1:29PM EST (link)

to distance himself from the action in case it went south…….don’t forget that.

Took him 16 hrs to decide on what to do.
The seals actually made the decision to kill Osama, according to Paneta.

So, I’m not too sure just how much credit O get from this action.
He certainly didn’t waste any time getting on the main stream media to hype to success much to the dismay of the intelligence community who say he messed up the intel-gathering from this move…….quite the contrast, don’t you think?

So, I guess he’s not out to destroy the country, just a self-servingcoward who can’t make a decision that might make him look bad in the polls, while endangering the lives of the men/women who are sworn to protect this nation, but is willing to risk their lives again to gain a jump in the polls so he can get re-elected? Does that surfice?

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

 
 
 

buddyp.....

avagreen Thursday, November 17th at 1:22PM EST (link)

I’m no apologist for Obama. I just have a sense of perspective, common sense, and a grip on reality.

Errrmmm, well by saying what you just said along with the associated labeling implies the “whoever’s”, you are replying to (criticizing Obama) don’t exhibit those qualities.

So,ya, that would make you an Obama apologist.

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

 
 

gekster,

texasroots Thursday, November 17th at 8:45AM EST (link)

buddyp can’t handle the TRUTH! about Barry.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Gekster, it's adorable when you try to teach the mentally deficient

jakeofalltrades (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 12:39AM EST (link)

But even you have your limits…

That is so Jake, that is so. nt

gekster (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 12:45AM EST (link)

/nt/

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

 

lame

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 1:01AM EST (link)

I hope it’s just the late hour or perhaps just bad luck in this instance, but man, I sure hope the substance to snark ratio is generally much better here than what you guys are showing. I know I’ve seen some good stuff on RS, so I’ll assume (and hope) that this juvenile stuff is not typical.

If I’ve said something absurd, it really shouldn’t be so hard for someone to say why. But I guess some people who lack any actual argument use snark (and ad hominem) as cover, particularly when they know others will back them up in similar fashion. Definitely lame.

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I prefer

WA_Cowboy (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 1:08AM EST (link)

to call him BO. Some BO is harder to get rid of than others.

“If you put the Federal Government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” – Milton Friedman

yup

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 2:05AM EST (link)

lol and good point. I personally haven’t been much for use myself of that kind of name-calling (just seems kinda grade school to me), but that’s just personal preference (and I think Limbaugh’s names for people and institutions are often hilarious), and BO (and your elaboration) is kinda funny without getting into the kind of dog-whistle bigotry/paranoia of “Hussein”.

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So do I, wacowboy. He is so odious

pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 5:50AM EST (link)

that there cannot possibly be another way to address him. I refer to him as b.o. which, to me, is even more insulting since his “name” is not capitalized. I refuse to capitalize his name under any circumstances.

My own little way of giving him no legitimacy, doncha know. ;-)

 
 

"absurd bias to which they are somehow oblivious."

iidvbii Thursday, November 17th at 1:32AM EST (link)

Hmm…. That’s quite an accusation your making there. First I can conclude from your mini rant that a name like “hussien” reflexively registers as negative. Is this a subliminal distaste for names with Arabic sounding origins or are you overtly bigoted? I would also be curious to learn if this is racially based or is it a theological distrust of Islam that is triggering what appears to be a genuinely strong impulse. So much so that you must project your anger and loathing onto the person responsible for introducing the negative stimuli. Have you been a life long racist or has this character flaw resulted from a particular or perhaps even a series of experience’s? Are you aware that you are rationalizing your internal shame by lashing out in an irrational manner to compensating for this perceived failure? I suspect these transparent tactics your using to hide your true feelings is rooted I’m both the fear of these impulse as well as the social stigma you fear should someone learn your secret. I would recommend you speak to someone that’s a lot of fear and self loathing to carry around day after day. These emotions will manifest themselves eventually and frankly it rarely ends well.

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

silly

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 1:58AM EST (link)

That was just a bunch of obvious silliness that you apparently mistakenly think is clever. One can put the pieces of a puzzle (or political rhetoric) together and see that others are conveying a particular sentiment in a veiled way via language that is not inherently pejorative. It is downright silly to assume that anyone who calls someone else out on such dog whistle rhetoric is merely projecting his own sentiments. Hence my subject line as descriptor of your comment.

Better luck next time you attempt to be clever or witty. Poor attempt this time out.

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Denial and Deflection.... pitiful

iidvbii Thursday, November 17th at 2:20AM EST (link)

I had hoped someone with as high a regard as you seem to hold yourself in ,would be a little less predictable.

Let’s face it you base your original statement regarding “hussien” on your perceived bias. That’s a fact. It is also a fact that you can no more read my mind than anyone else’s. Which leads to fact number three. Your assertion is pure conjecture based on an excepted premise you yourself formulated with only your own inputs. Therefore the perceived “insult” as well as the rational for viewing something as simple as someone’s name all originate with you. In your head.

Of course there is another hypothesis, but frankly I have been working under the assumption that your better than that?

The other option is that your one of those group think sheeple who are so certain in their own moral superiority that they feel not only justified but also obligated to assault the character of anyone who dares utter a phrase or idea that violates however slightly the paradigm of their narrowly defined worldview?

See you must be a closet racist, I have to much respect for you to consider the alternative.

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

what's worse?

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 2:59AM EST (link)

Man, what’s worse: if you really believe that stuff you just wrote of if you actually think you’re being clever or witty in some way?

No act of actual mind-reading is necessary. We make probabilistic judgments all the time as far as what someone most likely meant by something. You do it too. Everyone does it. And there are times when, based on consideration of various factors, it is perfectly sensible to conclude that it is extremely likely that some statement or language is meant to convey something pejorative even if some word (or name) itself is not a pejorative.

It’s also a childish form of denial in such a case to say “Oh, no, must be you projecting your own feelings to see that pejorative meaning.”

It’s obvious most people who include “Hussein” and who do so from the right in the context of ridiculing and/or expressing hate toward the guy are including that name as a pejorative. Second, the reason they consider it a pejorative and they assume some others will as well is along the lines of reasons I stated.

I’ll just stop here, because if I have to explain common sense and normal thinking and behavior to you I doubt discussion will be worthwhile. And it’s also a waste of time if you know what you’re saying is rubbish but you’re trying to impress your buddies with what you consider some clever legalistic defense that you think annoys someone you (mistakenly) think is on the “other side” of the political battle.

Gotta remember your handle too. I sure hope most folks I encounter here can offer some substance and sense. Certainly not what I’ve found in my exchanges on this thread. (I’m not including in that criticism the “BO” comment, but everything else was either devoid of substance or devoid of sense.)

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buddyp, you exposed yourself 'right' there.

gekster (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 3:09AM EST (link)

In your context of “and who do so from the right”,
which obviously says you are from the left.
You see, this is a site from the ‘right’, about the ‘right’, and for the ‘right’.and you don’t fit in and don’t belong.
Go over to the HuffPo, where they just love Obama as much as you do.
An Obama apoligist like you would be heralded.
They love your ‘type’.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

what an idiot

buddyp (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 3:18AM EST (link)

You know, I almost hesitated to put in “from the right” because I thought some idiot would react in the absurd way you just did.

I said “from the right” because I don’t think people who ridicule and/or express hate toward Obama from the left (and yes, there are some) use “Hussein” to do so, so I was simply providing a more precise description of the usage and context of that usage.

Get it, idiot? Probably not. You’d rather just stick to your childish mindset that categorizes anyone who doesn’t parrot the same absurd crazy lines you do is one of the evil agents of the evil enemy.

I know you won’t be disappointed because you will reflexively reject this, but no, I don’t “love Obama” (far from it), and I am certainly no “apologist” for him. But you have no grip on reality — or logic — so I don’t wish to waste my time with you. I just responded in this case b/c otherwise I’m sure some other idiots would think your deduction about my comment was logical and your conclusion valid.

Facts –> rational analysis –> conclusions –> advocacy. In that sequence.

Book I wish everyone in the world would read

 
 

Whats Worse.... I honestly do not know...

iidvbii Thursday, November 17th at 5:37AM EST (link)

You stated outright that clintonformaccain implied Barracks Hussien Obama was “Muslim and Non American” because he included his full name in a 4 sentence post regarding is advertising strategy. Further according to you this proved ClintonforMccain was a “bigot and an embarrassment”. To top it off you presumed his response to be “It’s his name” assumed it as either an outright lie or proof of an “absurd bias which they are somehow oblivious to”. The basis for these accusations? We leans right politically. Do you know this person? Or better yet did you take a second hit the reply button and ask him if this was his intention? No.. You made the above accusations based on conjecture and assumption.

So I simply returned the favor. I made a nearly exact mirror argument, basing mine on a little more information than you though.
It was fun watching you argue that my assumptions were “silly” and unfounded while trying not to look stupid doing the exact same thing yourself. Yeah it is silly to automatically assume someone who takes offensive to Arabic sounding names is racist. It’s stupid to assume that someone using someone else’s actual name is racist.

Your right your argument didn’t impress anyone and it wasn’t clever. The sad thing is projection is factual. People who lie tend to be more skeptical, people who steal less trusting, people who cheat on their spouses are more paranoid of their spouse and yes people who are hiding their own racial discomfort tend to over compensate as a defence mechanism. Yours is totally baseless.
By your logic the chief justice of the united states is demonstrating he is a racist every time he corresponds with Barrack Hussien Obama. Justice Roberts is a conservative and he uses his full name and all. It’s this kind of tripe that should be banned.
So what was worse?
Watching you argue with yourself in public?
Watching you justify that argument while trying to dismiss its mirror?
Watching you chastise yourself with what you thought were insults? “If I have to explain common thinking”
Guess I will still go with your unfounded and unsubstantiated attack on clintoformccain.

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

 

buddyp, what iibdvii said is straight out of a psychology textbook.....

avagreen Thursday, November 17th at 1:49PM EST (link)

and you’ve been caught both in
projecting” and “mind-reading”. Yes, it is “believable”.
And, yes, I do have the credentials to say so.;)

I also perceived that you are rather low on the EQ (emotional quotient) level, which does not have any connection to age.
http://www.allthetests.com/eq-tests-emotional-quotient-quizzes.php

Agree with gekster, as well, about your leanings, which from reading all your posts seem rather leftist-leaning, including your support of Keynesian economics, and criticizing the cops in NY for being present at the protest.

Just sayin’

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

 
 
 
 
 

Obama hates America and he proves it every day.

Tbone (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 2:08AM EST (link)

His middle name ought to be “the” as in barry the fool, barry the idiot, barry the marxist and barry the worst President ever.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 
 

You're missing the point:

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 3:11PM EST (link)

This is BAD STRATEGY. You can’t cram 5-6 points into a 30-second ad without being very skilled, and this ad was not it. Thus, a provably fraudulent misquote will be the focus of discussion around this ad, if it is even discussed at all. This conversation will not help Rick Perry’s campaign to the extent that it cost him and his team to produce it.

You can communicate “Obama is a bad man” in 30 seconds very, very effectively.

You can communicate “I am an outsider” in 30 seconds very, very effectively, as well.

You can communicate, “I am a fiscal conservative” well within that time.

This commercial tries to do *all of these things* at the same time, and fails badly at all of them.

You can get away with dishonesty to a point if your ad effectively communicates its message to its intended audience. Otherwise? Not so much.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

aesthete, can you point to any reactions anywhere that fit with what you have said?

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 3:23PM EST (link)

I haven’t seen any, but you could be right. Please provide some evidence of anyone anywhere, other than you here, having this sort of reaction.

So far, I have seen plenty of reactions that favor this ad and tout it as timely and well targeted. Both in the blogosphere and on national media.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


So far, I've seen little about the ad

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 3:41PM EST (link)

outside of RS.com. My impression was that this is a new ad, no? I’m just providing my thoughts on why it was going to be a weak ad based on what I saw on RS; if it’s garnered a good reaction among conservatives, particularly primary-going conservatives, then by all means consider my opinion outdated and clearly wrong.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

Well aesthete...

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 4:09PM EST (link)

The only places I have seen this ad receive a negative reception, similar to yours, have been places like mediaite, The New Republic, Politico, and other DNC regurgitation machine outlets.

I know you aren’t one of them, so it saddens me to see you having a similar take as them.

Additionally, there is some anecdotal evidence out there that Perry is getting a second look in Iowa where this ad is running.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


I don't read those sites

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 4:32PM EST (link)

I do confess to being rather concerned about the state of Perry’s campaign, though. If you’re right, then that’s a good thing in my eyes (or rather, the best-case scenario).

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Couple of responses...

conservativeparrothead Wednesday, November 16th at 9:18PM EST (link)

CK isnt going to be complimentary since he labeled the candidacy dead in May. Its going to take a lot more than 2 days of polls to get him to eat crow.

Here is his testimony to congress in 2009, which was AGAINST CAP AND TRADE: “Make no mistake about it: This bill amounts to a one to two trillion dollar energy tax levied on a struggling economy, which is destructive and wrong,” said Gingrich. “An energy tax punishes senior citizens. It punishes rural Americans. If you use electricity, it punishes you; if you use heating oil, it punishes you; if you use gasoline, it punishes you. This bill will increase your cost of living and it could kill your job.”

As for Fannie and Freddie, I think its blown out of proportion, all of these guys who were something consult, it would astonish you to see what companies pay consultants and former politicians. Remember the Dick Cheney severance it was like $30 Million from Halliburton. Unless, it comes out that he told Freddie to loan money to people who couldnt pay it back, then I think its a non issue.

Who cares what Calvin Klein thinks?

jakeofalltrades (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 9:41PM EST (link)

nt

 

Newt: Lots of political and personal baggage

kamiller42 Wednesday, November 16th at 10:13PM EST (link)

I can overlook some of Newt’s political missteps and some I can’t, like slamming Paul Ryan’s Medicare plan JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO. Some of his personal baggage, like cheating on his 2nd wife FOR SIX YEARS, is too much for me to stomach. Six years?! Outrageous. Low class.

 
 

Rick perry

txpat Wednesday, November 16th at 9:32PM EST (link)

Was on Hannity tonight.
He did a wonderful job.

Thanks again txpat. Had given up watching Hannity but got him on dvr

gracie (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 1:33AM EST (link)

Keep it comin!

 
 

Yes

superpatriot Wednesday, November 16th at 9:40PM EST (link)

Perry did a nice job on Hannity and his ad was also good today.

As a staunch conservative, I will support Perry until the end. The only other person I would think of supporting is Gingrich.

I think Cain and his 999 are a joke and Romney is running on the wrong ticket.

Reallly hope you guys feel the same way.

You do realize

constitutional (Diary) Wednesday, November 16th at 11:11PM EST (link)

That Romney and Gingrich are the same person? Gingrich endorsed both TARP AND the Individual Mandate.

“We shall be as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us, so that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken and so cause him to withdraw his present help from us, we shall be made a story and a byword throughout the world.” — John Withrop.

 
 

He needs more

txpat Wednesday, November 16th at 9:54PM EST (link)

air time on “conservative” radio and TV.
His add he is running is great, and build on his great debate performance last Sat.
I believe he can turn the tied of public opinion with a continued offensive approach.
Perry 2012!

 

I now decided

txpat Wednesday, November 16th at 10:35PM EST (link)

to get more involved, and hope you Rick Perry supporters will also.
I also giving a shout out to my fellow Texans and Texas transplants.
We who have been blessed having Rick Perry as our Governor.
We need to up our game.
I started this evening and hope you all will to.
I google Iowa newspapers, and I plan to work through the alphabet of newspapers and write them on why I support Perry.
Please take a moment to write to Iowa papers about Gov Perry.
Thanks!

Thanks for this suggestion!

gracie (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 1:28AM EST (link)

I have just been mystified as to why Perry would not be a man Iowans would respect.. There are several candidates ahead of him who also would end ethanol subsidies.

But we can work from here from our computers. I aready spend a few hours a day sending Perry info round and trying to change hearts and minds, one at a time. This is something more, concrete we can do!

We can’t give up!!

 
 

My 'Hat's Off to Perry"

missourirancher Wednesday, November 16th at 10:54PM EST (link)

for being bold and speaking out as a Conservative and a Leader. I like the fact that he is not a “Fence Straddler”.

 

txpat, we have to

usa1776usa Wednesday, November 16th at 10:59PM EST (link)

I have seen so many people going through hard times because of this administration’s policies. We need real change or I’m afraid my kids will suffer. Governor Perry is the only candidate I have seen in the field who has the record and will push the tough but necessary agenda to pull our nation back from the brink. I also will email, comment, and support him every way I can. Gingrich is my second choice but, frankly, he is not conservative enough. His history is an albatross around his neck. I believe he is a gauranteed loser in the general election. The left will destroy him as soon as they roll out his myriad of bad/liberal decisions of the past. The rest of the candidates have even less of a chance at winning the general election. My hope is that the conservative talking heads are honest and embrace this. Every conservative needs to get behind Perry before it’s too late. Four more years of this administration may do us in for good.

 

usa1776usa

txpat Wednesday, November 16th at 11:31PM EST (link)

If you are like me you don’t back down, you don’t quit, you march on.
I believe every person that comes on this site and supports Perry would make a point of writing to the Iowa newspapers we can help support Perry.
I know I got an email from Anita Perry on needing support in Iowa for the caucus, but I think if you can’t support Perry physically in Iowa, or if you can’t afford to donate to the campaign you can take some time and email some newspapers on why you believe in Perry.
Our time is just a small sacrifice to the greater good of our country.
God Bless America, and God Bless Rick Perry.

Will do,txpat

avagreen Thursday, November 17th at 1:09AM EST (link)

I’ll start tomorrow.

Community organizing works both ways. ;)

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

 

Here's a list of newspapers in Iowa to write per Anita Perry's request.

avagreen Thursday, November 17th at 7:25PM EST (link)

http://www.usnpl.com/ianews.php

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

avagreen--thanks for this list: let's get to work!

circlegranch Thursday, November 17th at 7:41PM EST (link)

Americans, have you watched any news today out of New York? Our country is under seige. We need a president that doesn’t back down, flip flop or dance around issues to maintain poll status or popularity.

We’re in big, big trouble. Gather your family and friends and ask them to help us elect Rick Perry as our next president.

Will do, circlegranch

changeforrickperry Thursday, November 17th at 8:56PM EST (link)

And thank you for the list, avagreen. This will be a big assignment for me over the next few days, but I’m more than glad to do it. I’ll have some extra time on my hands tomorrow and will start sending off some emails in the morning.
______________________________________________________________
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

www.changeforrickperry.org

 
 
 
 

Perry challenges Pelosi to a debate

changeforrickperry Thursday, November 17th at 8:20AM EST (link)

According to http://gop12.thehill.com/2011/11/exclusive-perry-challenges-pelosi-to.html

Just saw this on HotAir’s headline section. Apparently he sent her a letter withthe challenge. Thoughts?

Saw that, change. I think it is hilarious - there is no way

pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 8:24AM EST (link)

that Pelousy will accept. That woman is NUTZ! She would be hyperventilating in about 30 seconds … would love to see that!

 

Saw that, change. I think it is hilarious - there is no way

pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 8:24AM EST (link)

that Pelousy will accept. That woman is NUTZ! She would be hyperventilating in about 30 seconds … would love to see that!

 

hmmmmm

WA_Cowboy (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 9:22AM EST (link)

interesting…. very interesting….

as another note, again, we see Perry going after Democrats and leaving Romney alone. a shift in strategy? perhaps

“If you put the Federal Government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” – Milton Friedman

Not really, wacowboy. I've never known him to be an

pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 9:31AM EST (link)

attack dog – especially for our side. He knows the enemy, as do we all, and that is the dems and RINOs. Plus, I believe that one could pound on Romney all day, and he would still remain at approximately 23-25%. Looks like he would give up the ghost after all these years – Romney, I mean.

Mornin', "Mrs. Texas!"

changeforrickperry Thursday, November 17th at 9:43AM EST (link)

I’m really excited as well to see Perry going after the Dems. Don’t you think it puts him above the fray, in a way? Compared to Bachmann, who apparently released an ad yesterday bashing everyone but Santorum and Obama. Going after the real enemy, after all, is the one thing that’s endearing about Gingrich. If this is Perry’s new strategy, then when people come away disappointed in Gingrich’s record they’ll see Perry as another intelligent, focused fighter!

Oh my, this is getting exciting.

Hey there, change!

pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 9:47AM EST (link)

Yes, in my mind, it does put him above the fray – he knows the enemy. Yes, I saw the Bachmann ad, and I’m embarrassed for her.

Yep, pass the popcorn – what an exciting, blood-pressure-raising time we’re living. At least for me it is, you’re far too young for blood pressure problems! ;-)

agree with both of you

WA_Cowboy (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 10:06AM EST (link)

Love that he’s going after the dems.

haven’t seen the Bachmann ad. though it isn’t surprising. I still remember her in one of the debates pretty much saying “I’m the only one on this stage who’s serious about repealing Obamacare.” Really? You’re the only one? Please. That was right before the Gardasil — retardation thing killed her campaign. The sad thing is that I had a lot more respect for her before she ran for president.

about 6 weeks until iowa. A lot can change. Let’s hope and pray that the Rickster does well this weekend at the iowa debate.

“If you put the Federal Government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” – Milton Friedman

Keep on keepin' the faith, wacowboy. He's on a roll,

pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 10:14AM EST (link)

this is his style. He does things in his own way, his own style and his own timetable. It is quite a ride with him, and I like it.

 
 

Not too young for insomnia

changeforrickperry Thursday, November 17th at 10:26AM EST (link)

After some of those more stressful debates it would take me forever to go to sleep. I’d toss and turn, drift off, then wake in an agony. So when my grandmother said on Saturday that she reckoned I wouldn’t be able to sleep after Perry’s triumph, I said, “Actually, I’ll probably sleep REALLY well…”
______________________________________________________________
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

www.changeforrickperry.org

 
 
 
 
 

Maybe he realized....

nathanalbright (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 9:35AM EST (link)

…that in a political season with about a zillion intramural debates (slight exaggeration) that it was worthwhile to show the Republicans what it was like to do battle with one’s enemies. I think that’s a brilliant move–especially as he can debate fiercely without breaking the 11th commandment (check), and either take advantage of the arrogance of someone who might think him a weak opponent or who can be accused of cowardice for failing to take on the challenge (check). It’s a heads I win tails you lose sort of proposition.

The problem with the Pelosi debate challenge

jimmyg Thursday, November 17th at 10:20AM EST (link)

is that she is the minority leader. Rep. Boehner is the majority leader. Why would he debate Pelosi, she is not setting the agenda in the House. Other than throwing out red meat, what is the point?

I think the point is this

changeforrickperry Thursday, November 17th at 11:19AM EST (link)

Nancy Pelosi is one of our biggest enemies. She’s a well-known antagonist, twice as shrill as Harry Reid and twice as vicious towards Republicans. For Perry to challenge her to a debate not only shows that he’s ready to take her on, it shows that he’s confident in his ability to do so.

And anyway, I’m not so sure Boehner IS setting the agenda in the House. E. Erickson has waxed eloquent on the Republicans in Congress betraying us. For Perry to go all out and challenge Pelosi, when he’s not the slickest debater anyway, shows he’s serious when he talks about uprooting and overhauling–a heck of a lot more serious than Boehner–and I think the people will respond to that.
____________________________________________________________
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

www.changeforrickperry.org

That might be the case, Change, but...

tnguy Thursday, November 17th at 12:02PM EST (link)

,,,,our real issue is our own party. Perhaps this is a good campaign move, but Nancy Pelosi is truly a minor problem for us. It’s silly for us to keep harping on the Democrats. Stupid for Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity to spend their days griping about Obama and ripping the liberal press….

The real problem is within our own party. Were it not for repeated republican failures, the Bosheviks on the left couldn’t have enacted most of their agenda. It was GWB who doubled the national debt before Obama took office, or at least he who permitted it. GWB who passed the Ted Kennedy Education bill, the Tom Daschle farm bill, Medicare Prescription Drugs, and dozens of other big goverment nightmares. And his father was even worse before him. To say nothing of the big gov’t tendencies of congressional republicans, including Newt Gingrich.

I really want Rick Perry to succeed. I hope and pray he wins. But mostly, we need to focus on the failure on our own side.

“Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”

I'm sincerely hoping that when President Perry takes office

changeforrickperry Thursday, November 17th at 12:22PM EST (link)

he’ll do so with a clean-swept Congress. Still, I’m a little discouraged by the current Congress’ actions; either we didn’t get enough Tea Party folks in there, or the Tea Party folks are failing us. I don’t know…hopefully President Perry would hold their feet to the fire and they’d HAVE to do right.

Anyway, Nancy just declined the invitation (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68590.html) and mocked Perry in the process:

“He did ask if I could debate here in Washington on Monday. It is my understanding that such a letter has come in,” Pelosi said in the Capitol Thursday. “Monday I’m going to be in Portland in the morning, I’m going to be visiting some of our labs. I’m in California in the afternoon, that’s two. I can’t remember what the third is.”

Har-dee-har-har. She is repulsive.
____________________________________________________________
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

www.changeforrickperry.org

 

No chance Pelosi debates Perry, and he knows that

jimmyg Thursday, November 17th at 12:24PM EST (link)

It is likely she does not even acknowledge his challenge, their is no legislation to debate, just some talking points. Perry has threatened to skip Republican debates for the office he is running for, he is not running against Pelosi. The debate challenge to Pelosi smacks of a gimmick, and/or a transparent attempt to gain some attention for his campaign. I still do not get the point unless the point is to throw out some red meat.

Maybe he is just having fun and likes to smack around liberals.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 1:18PM EST (link)

By the way, she did respond on twitter:

@NancyPelosi: Re: Gov. Perry–Monday I’ll be in Portland. Later visiting labs in CA. That’s 2. I can’t remember the 3rd thing.

To which Team Perry replied:

@TeamRickPerry: .@NancyPelosi Perhaps the third activity that you have forgotten is the ongoing insider trading?

Personally, I enjoy seeing this sort of imaginative use of social media in a campaign.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


Aaron, maybe Perry should challenge

Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 1:41PM EST (link)

Boehner & McConnell to a debate as well. And I say this without any snark/sarcasm. I think that would genuinely generate a lot of interest because of the anti-establishment sentiment going around.

Or perhaps just a public discussion with them as to how they would work wtih Perry toward enacting his proposals. That would put Boehner & McConnell on the spot and would confirm to a lot of folks that Perry is serious about changing Washington. It would look really bad if Boehner & McConnell refused such an invitation, don’t you think?

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)

I think that would be fun...

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 2:00PM EST (link)

Of course, I don’t think Boehner or McConnell would go for it anymore than Nancy would.

As far as confirming whether or not Perry is serious about reform, he is already doing that on the trail and it is beginning to resonate. I wouldn’t be surprised to see an uptick in his polling in the next couple of weeks.

There is some anecdotal evidence to back up the idea that he has already started to receive second looks from those in Iowa.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


I'd be surprised, Aaron...

acat (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 2:06PM EST (link)

if Perry doesn’t see a steady increase before Dec. 7th.

Of the remaining not-Romneys, he’s the most complete package. Good record to run on, charismatic, decent public speaker (not counting dog shows, excellent speaker) and solid on most issues.

I figure Cain’s already done – but people aren’t necessarily admitting that to pollsters yet – and Newt will peak on Nov. 24th, somewhere between the mashed potatoes and the sweet potatoe pie….

Mew

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Caveat Suffragator

Congressional Reform that he just proposed

constitutional (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 2:08PM EST (link)

Is going to get him up, I wrote about it here: http://www.redstate.com/constitutional/2011/11/17/a-letter-to-all-conservatives/

“We shall be as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us, so that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken and so cause him to withdraw his present help from us, we shall be made a story and a byword throughout the world.” — John Withrop.

 
 
 

Perry is having fun

cheetah2 (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 4:17PM EST (link)

while making a point. In the letter to Pelosi he really slammed the status quo in Congress, which was the real point of the stunt.

The challenge to Pelosi is not serious of course, but she is chosen because she wears the face of the hated opposition. However she responds, it is embarrassing to her.

Imagine if the debate actually came off: the SNL skit would practically write itself.

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Excellent line of attack

supergirl2911 Thursday, November 17th at 1:37PM EST (link)

Whether it is bravado or real I am glad he is taking it to her. Furthermore she is a part of our primary conversation because she sat one the sofa with newt and said we had to pass the bill to find out what’s in it and that the tea party was AstroTurf .

That's very true supergirl...

nathanalbright (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 8:47PM EST (link)

….and if that calculation entered into his mind, that it was an effective way to “poison the well” against anyone who was connected with Pelosi by making her into a primary topic, that’s a very effective tactic as well.

 
 
 
 

Perry: Obama "Never Had To Go Through What Americans Are Going Through"

bzip Thursday, November 17th at 9:30AM EST (link)

From Perry’s interview with Hannity last night:

Perry: Obama “Never Had To Go Through What Americans Are Going Through”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/11/16/perry_obama_never_had_to_go_through_what_americans_are_going_through.html

Watch the latest video at video.foxnews.com

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eow! The Dems are out in force against Perry! LOL!......

avagreen Thursday, November 17th at 4:27PM EST (link)

Good sign!

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

 
 

Perry says

1bunny Thursday, November 17th at 11:49AM EST (link)

something we all have been wanting. Have the politicians in DC live under the same laws they pass for Americans. No more exempting themselves from what they make us live under…Obamacare…Insider trading…etc.

‘So, [a] part-time legislature — have them live within the same laws that they’ve passed.’

www.newsmax.com: Perry: A Part-Time Congress Is Not a ‘Radical’ Idea

PERRY 2012

 

Just made another donation!

avagreen Thursday, November 17th at 4:47PM EST (link)

Worth every d. penny!

Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.

Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.

 

I have a problem with Perry.

morstar150 (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 5:16PM EST (link)

If the man can only state his positions in rehearsed, scripted 30 second sound bites how will he lead us to a sweeping victory.

Perry is not the answer.

I do like that his staff knows what raw meat to throw at the faithful. The ads are effective, but he cannot carry that torch in person.

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil, in its worst, an intolerable one. (Thomas Paine)

Have you ever seen him in person?

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 5:19PM EST (link)

I have. Multiple times. He does just fine. The only place he has had troubles is in the debates, and he has actually improved.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


99% of voters will only see him in debates

federalfarmer1 (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 7:52PM EST (link)

And he has not improved. It’s just that he avoided insulting conservativrs and forgetting his major policy proposals in the most recent debate.

Part of the job is spokesman for conservative ideas. The party becomes beholden to its candidate and president. I do not want tick Perry to be the face and primary spokesman of the gop.

99% of voters farmer?

Scope (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 8:13PM EST (link)

Do you have some proof that only 1% of the electorate is still sleeping, until the debates are broadcast? Wouldn’t that mean that only 1% of the electorate is only seeing your guy Newt in the debates also? or any of the other candidates?

 

Statistically, 99% of voters aren't even

Tbone (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 8:26PM EST (link)

alive.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 

I can't argue with made up facts.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, November 18th at 8:15AM EST (link)

You win this one! Well played.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 
 
 

He's getting better in the debates.

constitutional (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 5:24PM EST (link)

I won’t bother with excuses. But, I think it’s fundamentally flawed to support/not support a candidate just because he can’t speak as eloquently as Reagan.

Perry is the answer.

“We shall be as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us, so that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken and so cause him to withdraw his present help from us, we shall be made a story and a byword throughout the world.” — John Withrop.

 

morstar- Don't all of the candidates get 30 seconds to state their case?

Scope (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 8:23PM EST (link)

You knock Perry because of his 30 second soundbites, but every other candidate on that 30 second sounbite stage has to state their case in 30 seconds also. I seriously doubt that the majority of the country is deciding on who they will support by the debates alone. I know many have been dumbed down to choosing the candidate based on the American Idol plan, but not all of us have been. And I’d say the majority won’t rely on the leftists debate agenda to make all of our candidates look like idiots or clowns.

Scope, that was you I was referencing earlier.

sunshinek67 (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 8:58PM EST (link)

I do think Perry will get another look after Thanksgiving. Maybe he already is, the ads are running, he is doing more media interviews. Curious to know what the Perry inhouse pollsters are coming up with. Perhaps I am having a hard time accepting the media push narrative polls, all of which favor non-conservatives. Interesting.

Yes sunshine

Scope (Diary) Thursday, November 17th at 9:46PM EST (link)

it amazes not only you, but me as well that the most moderate are leading in the polls. We already tried that in the 08 election with McCain, and we saw how disasterous that was, and that was even before the Tea Party movement.

I love how so many, including our own Neil keeps tagging the current polls as “fluid.” I absolutely loved the guy that tagged us as “speed daters.” Then look at the number of voters that are still not locked in on a candidate.

I have faith that when it all shakes out in the end, people are going to go with the guy with the experience, the record, the conservative achievments, and the best and boldest plans to transform federal government back to where they should have been many many years ago. There is a very good reason why the establishment has reason to hate Perry, and that includes the Right establishment guys. Power is an aphrodisiac, once you have it, you can’t let it go. As Governor of Texas, for a decade, Perry has displayed the only credibility in that he has not been corrupted by that power.

Perry will bring it home for us.

I read an interesting observation today

WA_Cowboy (Diary) Friday, November 18th at 1:19AM EST (link)

about this primary season.

It talked about how most of the Non-Romney voters have jumped from one candidate to another to another to another, but Perry’s most ardent supporters have stood firm, voicing their reasoned support for him. The writer even referenced RedState to see us in action. Combining this with some anecdotes from recent appearances in Iowa, he felt that Perry could indeed have a comeback in him. Music to my ears.

make no mistake, he needs to keep the good ads and good debates up. But the faithfulness of his supporters is going to keep him strong and attract more as some of the other candidates drop out.

“If you put the Federal Government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” – Milton Friedman

 
 
 
 

so who can then?

WA_Cowboy (Diary) Friday, November 18th at 1:28AM EST (link)

at least the Rickster speaks AND governs like a conservative. Can’t say the same for anyone else

“If you put the Federal Government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand.” – Milton Friedman