The Debate Is Over, Only The Vote Remains **Update**


**UPDATE**
Here is the Obamacare Hotline’s House Whip Count updated daily. Thank you Saul Anuzis
**ENDUPDATE**

This isn’t going to be an overly long post because, as one might infer from the title, all that can/could or should be said about the ponies and pixie dust plan of Health Care Reform has already been said.

The President knows this to be true as well …

The majority of what I saw in that video was nothing more than rank fear mongering, tactics which the progressive left has successfully been painting as the modus operandi of the right for years.

The general push of these tactics today are that if Obamacare is not passed, then from this day forward your chances of having healthcare when you need it are somehow less.

Really?

I suppose that is a step back for this President. After all, he did imply that Dr.’s were hacking off perfectly healthy feet and ripping out perfectly healthy tonsils just to make a profit.

I understand why the President is doing this though, and so does Nancy Pelosi.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, is aiming to have the House of Representatives pass the Senate’s health care bill by March 17.

A separate package of changes designed in part to make the overall measure more palatable to House liberals then would be approved by both chambers through a legislative maneuver known as reconciliation. Bills passed under reconciliation require a Senate majority of 51 votes. Democrats lost their filibuster-proof, 60-seat Senate supermajority with the January election of Sen. Scott Brown, R-Massachusetts.

They know that if they don’t strike now, they will have lost this opportunity for another generation. As has been noted by many, reconcilliation is an after the fact fix that will never see the light of day. The Administration is going for the end goal here and they are engaging in classic fearmongering to get there.

I wanted to address this before I begin my general ‘fisking” … now let us begin.


Here are a few things of note from the above clip.

First,

… when you hit 48 you start realizing things start breaking down a little bit.

I wonder, is he referring to his health, or the health of his coalition in congress?

Then,

You can’t have a system that works better for the insurance companies than it does for the people.

Well sir, I don’t think we should have a system that works better for the government than it does for the individual.

Now let’s deal with a few other highlights from the related CNN article and my general thoughts on those..

Stand with me and fight with me. … Let’s seize reform. It’s within our grasp.

… Obama said to the closed audience while Tea Patiers protested outside. Sir, the people are clearly against you.

“You had 10 years,” Obama said in reference to GOP control of Congress. “What were you doing?”

We were following the long standing rules of the Senate, Democrat attempts to characterize things to the contrary notwithstanding.

The President, and his party, still don’t get it. Even with McConnell telling them plainly how it is.

If the bill does go through, avoiding a GOP filibuster by using the reconciliation tactic in the Senate, the battle moves to its next stage.

Every election this fall will be a referendum on this bill,” McConnell said.

Every election. McConnell is 100% correct in that assesment. The people have clearly spoken in poll after poll and march after march.

Alas, the Emporor hasn’t a clue that he is standing naked for all to see …

Obama said Monday he’s not inclined to take “advice about what’s good for Democrats” from McConnell.

Good, I didn’t really want you to pivot to the center and win a second term anyhow. Mr. President, your ideas are anathema to freedom, and everyday you push forward on this more and more come to realize that as truth.

Only the vote remains.

Those of you who live in vulnerable districts … we need you to be lighting up the phone lines right about now.

We must scrap this bill and make sure it never becomes law.

Aaron B. Gardner


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Um, Barack, those student you try to indoctrinate

SusanAnne Hiller (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 6:44PM EST (link)

Are under their parent’s insurance plans. Thoise kids wouldn’t know a premium if it had a party invitation attached to it, and couldn’t explain what a deductible and copay are. Keep trying to get to the youth, but we parents will fight you all the way…you cannot have our children’s minds. Evah.

~SusanAnne
@susanannehiller on Twitter

that was my first thought as well -nt

bk (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 8:21PM EST (link)
 

Perhaps voting age should be moved to 26

Flagstaff (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 9:32PM EST (link)

if the Demolition bill passes. Maybe even if it doesn’t.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 
 

A dependent people are ...

frankieb (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 7:09PM EST (link)

…a pliant people. Hence, this all-out attempt to make the American people dependent on government for everything: their cars, their home loans, their school loans, their health care … you name it.

I’ve called and written Claire McCaskill. I might as well spit into the wind. Same with Emanuel Cleaver. Hopeless cases, both of them. All I can do now is vote against them when the time comes and encourage everyone I know to do the same.

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Claire McCaskill goes in so many directions, it’s amazing she hasn’t drawn and quartered herself. www.TruthAboutClaire.com

I contacted McCaskill

itrytobenice (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 7:48PM EST (link)

I told her that I didn’t vote for her in ’06 but that if she votes for Obamacare, I will work against her in 2012 like it was a full time job.

I’m going to do so anyway, because she already voted for it once, but I still like calling her. 8)

Proper grammar saves lives.

Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

 
 

This will not end wellfor the Dems

DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 7:29PM EST (link)

The Democrats, much of the GOP and many conservative bloggers continue to give scant attention to the next battlefield for Obamacare, the states. If this passes it’s likely to start a much needed discussion on the appropriate role of the federal government and the Constitutional powers of the states. Several states have already passed legislation or will this year nullifying some or all of any federal health care legislation that should pass most recently VA. Although we can’t abandon the federal battlefield we absolutely must take this to battle to the states and fight statism by any means necessary. We cannot cede any more ground to the socialists. Federalism is freedom, socialism is slavery.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

Nullification

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 8:42PM EST (link)

I know LewRockwell.com is considered a nut-hatch site by many, but they have covered and discussed 10th Amendment/Nullification in pretty solid detail.

” I side impenitently with the human race against the modern reformer.” – C.S. Lewis

 
 

I think Rahm need to take obama in the Congressional Shower Room like he did Massa with no towel on, poke his finger obamas chest and explain to obama how the cow ate the cabbage. obamascare is DOA like teddy NT

bobojake (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 7:47PM EST (link)
 

Quick observation

Sundayjack (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 8:00PM EST (link)

I’m noticing more and more that Barack’s speech writers are putting “pause – pick nose” on the teleprompter, as they did here at 00:58.

It’s just a fabulously ironic part of a health care speech. Someone MUST start caricaturizing this.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.”

 

The venue must have been suggested by Bill Clinton.

Tbone (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 8:23PM EST (link)

“The school was founded in Beaver, Pennsylvania in 1853 as Beaver Female Seminary.”

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

That Sounds So Wrong I Can't Stop Laughing

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 8:44PM EST (link)

” I side impenitently with the human race against the modern reformer.” – C.S. Lewis

 

What a smug face that joker has

mdpatriot Monday, March 8th at 8:45PM EST (link)

Do you think this guy has any idea how loathed and detested he is? That the entire county knows he is a clueless POS and despises him?

Must be quite something to begin lying the moment you wake up, all day, until you close your eyes at night.

He thought it was a coronation not an election..

nivlem (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 1:53AM EST (link)

Remember “we won”…..it was a “crown” ….not an opportunity to lead a nation into a finer world. As a dictator “crowned” you can do whatever you want because the other side lost.

As a leader that “won” the opportunity to lead a nation, you make choices that would not lead to a choice of dividing countrymen against countrymen.

 
 
 

A few points:

krelborn Monday, March 8th at 8:51PM EST (link)

Longtime readers here will remember that I’m not what one would call a Conservative. I tend to think of myself, when questioned about labels, as a Libertarian Progressive (yeah, I know; they don’t really seem to fit, but plz bear with me here). I voted for Obama, and would do so again. I have my issues with some aspects of the President’s policies, but overall I find him to be a thoughtful, historically-mindful person who’s handled a nasty job with more politeness than I myself would have managed.
Gripes: The Wall Street bailout was a scam. Had it been up to me, every one of those [censored] would have been tarred, feathered, and ridden out of town on a rail.
I wish he’d have been tougher. “Bipartisanship” may be goal for DC Villagers, but all the Americans I know, regardless of political affiliation, tend to have a lot more respect for someone they disagree with but who’s willing to stand up for it, than they do with someone they like who’s scared of their own positions. I dig that he’s a peacemaker by temperament, which I respect, but sometimes you hafta knock a few heads to make your point.
But, while I have sympathy for both sides to an extent, I’ve got no patience for being BS’d. Which leads me to my point.

Mr. Gardner, I have a few questions for you.

“The majority of what I saw in that video was nothing more than rank fear mongering…The general push of these tactics today are that if Obamacare is not passed, then from this day forward your chances of having health care when you need it are somehow less.”

Which portions, specifically, did you consider “rank fear-mongering”? Does a frank discussion of cause and effect qualify? I’m a healthy 36-year-old with no outstanding medical problems. Given the state of affairs, are my chances of buying decent coverage over the next few years increased or decreased as a result of what the President is proposing? When you say “having health care”, are you referring to a full-coverage family plan, or the fact that anyone who staggers into an emergency room is legally entitled to be treated?

“After all, he did imply that Dr.’s were hacking off perfectly healthy feet and ripping out perfectly healthy tonsils just to make a profit.”
I’m afraid I missed that speech. Plz site the relevant passage wherein the President makes this outrageous claim.

“As has been noted by many, reconciliation is an after the fact fix that will never see the light of day. The Administration is going for the end goal here and they are engaging in classic fear-mongering to get there.”

Reconciliation would not be used to pass any version of any Senate bill. That has already been done. Reconciliation would be used to “reconcile” the budgetary differences between the two, but the bills themselves have already been passed, with wide majorities & the support of some 51-64% public support (depending on which poll you decide to buy into).

And then there are the jibes (I’m a fan of Sadly, No; as such, I’m not gonna get on anyone’s butt about making fun of politicians, I think that’s one of the last useful tools us citizens have left to modify their behavior). But if your going to tease people for their positions, you’ve gotta have something to hang it on. To wit:

“”You can’t have a system that works better for the insurance companies than it does for the people.”

Well sir, I don’t think we should have a system that works better for the government than it does for the individual.”"

Nothing factually wrong with either of those statements, but how are they related to each other? Insurance companies have a long, distinguished record of screwing their clients. Medicare and the VA, both government-run health plans, do suffer from fraud and official neglect, but they are also both popular with the people they help (here is where my buddy Mike, a 2-tour Vietnam Vet reading over my shoulder, smacks me on the head, and demands that I make clear that the VA is getting overwhelmed by returned psych cases they don’t have the counselors for. Duly noted)

Now we move on to the “kinda hinky” portion of our post:

“The President, and his party, still don’t get it. Even with McConnell telling them plainly how it is.

If the bill does go through, avoiding a GOP filibuster by using the reconciliation tactic in the Senate, the battle moves to its next stage.

“Every election this fall will be a referendum on this bill,” McConnell said.”

Gosh, that’s awful sweet. Personally, I can’t think of any reason whatsoever why SML McConnell would give bad electoral advice to Democrats. He’s clearly throwing his personal political ambitions to the wind in an attempt to help his Democratic partners out. What a guy, huh?
I was born at night, but not last night.

“Every election. McConnell is 100% correct in that assessment. The people have clearly spoken in poll after poll and march after march.”
I’m sorry, which polls are those? Would you cure my ignorance and post links to some of them? I looked and looked, but I could find no backup for this assertion. Perhaps you got in a hurry, and neglected to link to them. A common error. I’ll be here all night, so whenever you find the time, just drop it in.

And last, though honestly I’m at a loss as to how to deal with this stinker:

“Mr. President, your ideas are anathema to freedom”

Which freedom, Aaron? The freedom to pay twice as much, while getting half the value, as every other civilized nation on the planet? The freedom to have nothing standing between you and the accumulated legal might of your insurance company?

I’m gonna get flamed like crazy, and probably banned in the process, but before I do, I wanna hear from some real people about what they really think.

I hafta run to the beer store (if my arguments suffer over the next few hours, I trust you will ascribe it to alcohol; If my arguments are still reasonably well-written, but you demolish them anyways, then that’s my fault)

You stink, go somewhere else.

roscopico (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 9:02PM EST (link)

that is all.

Im Himmel gibt’s kein Bier…

 

Hit a nerve...

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 9:21PM EST (link)

Guess that means I’m doing it right.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 

I was one of the first to get an RS account.

Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 9:31PM EST (link)

As in, ‘somewhere around sixth or so.’ I’ve never heard of you. That means that either you’re trying to fake long-term status and hope that nobody notices that you’ve been here less than two months; or else we’ve already banned you once and you came back.

Admitting to either was contraindicated.

 
 

tonsils and feet

bigredone Monday, March 8th at 9:00PM EST (link)

I cannot speak to any of your points except this one.

Obama did indeed criticize doctors for taking out tonsils to collect a big fee.

He also talked about amputations costing $50,000 or some other ridiculous figure. And he criticized doctors again.

On at least these points, Gardner is correct.

 

Perhaps this claim would have no traction at all

Flagstaff (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 9:41PM EST (link)

The general push of these tactics today are that if Obamacare is not passed, then from this day forward your chances of having healthcare when you need it are somehow less.

if we had pushed back harder on what the unintended consequences of the bill will be–fewer doctors, worse doctors, less care available and split among more people.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 

Scapegoating the insurance industry

Kyle-MI (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 9:49PM EST (link)

He rails against the insurance industry for supposedly putting profit over people, yet the industry does not have that great of a profit margin, only about 4%. It is hardly as if the health care plan industry is a great investment. There are a lot better places to invest your money. In fact, of all the players in this drama, they are probably in the worst position. They are being squeezed between the cost of the services on the one end and cost containment on the other. Add in all the state and federal regulations and you hardly have an attractive business environment.

 

Obamacare Hotline's House Whip Count

saul_anuzis (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 9:55PM EST (link)

This list is updated regularly:

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/03/the_health_care_1.php#more

Saulius “Saul” Anuzis
Former Chairman
Michigan Republican Party
Coast to Coast Strategies, LLC

Thanks for the link Saul. nt

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, March 8th at 10:20PM EST (link)

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat