1. Please let them attack me on race

2. Please let them attack me on the birth certificate thing

The sympathetic backlash he gets by juxtaposing himself against the birthers and the tiny minority of racists is pretty much all that’s holding his presidency together right now.

I could not agree with you more. We have already -somehow elected Obummer, now is the time to limit his power and control congress (my dream any way). The issue of whether Bambi was born here is moot because he is in office and we are not going to remove a sitting president for anything short of grave illegal activity or treason. Now is the time to coalesce around core beliefs and fight for our vision of our country.

His grand mother paid someone else to swim for him.

SCOTUS Justice JP Stevens turns 90 in a couple of months.. Don’t have a crystal ball or anything, but sometimes when people hit their middle years, they like to take a little time off for friends and golf. Maybe get into a second career or something. Interesting to ponder who obiwan will select. He did so well with sotomayor.

“…and possibly some outside chances like Rand Paul and JD Hayworth,” yet Hayworth is the King of the birther movement. So which is it?

Putting a fraud into the executive branch is a drop-dead serious issue. No matter how many arrogant and impatient conservatives try to avoid being embarrassed by it the issue will not go away. I wish the sceptics would take the time to research Framers intent on why they wanted a certain subset of Americans in the executive branch to better ensure loyalty and allegiance. Check out Vattel’s defintion of NBC and then read the four Supreme Court cases that lay out the differentiation between citizen and NBC. (Google Obama File + Four Supreme Court Cases).
If we ignore this issue then we say we are cool,Ok with foreign influence infiltration in the executive branch.These conservatives spouting out at Farah do not have a clue, all the circumstantial evidence that is stacking up on this fraud in addition to the known dual citizen problem.
I hope there is a lawsuit a day filed. We need to leave a paper trail all over this nation that we fought it to the end and we never will let a hoax presidency occur again!

on the eligibility to run for office, than nothing else we look to it for means anything.
We can’t claim we want less fed. intrusion as opposed to those who want more and base their claims on “evolving” notions of the Const. but then say: we want stricter Cont. adherence; however, any dual citizen can be president or any foreign-born (Arnie?) can run for president. Or, any one else.
The birth cert. is really a simple issue. He produces a real one, from somewhere, and he is or is not a natural-born US citizen. If not, and no one does anything, then he remains in office, with the taint that he is not fully legitimate. Or, someone brings a suit to remove him.
Mr. Obama has spent somewhere between $850,000 and $1.7 million defending himself against suits over the issue. Obviously, if, like McCain, he could just produce a valid birth cert. showing he is a nat.-born citizen, he could save time and money on the display.
Judicial Watch, not some freaky outfit—after all, it was represented by a surrogate name even on “The West Wing,” is suing on the issue of Obama’s using campaign funds to defend himself in these suits looking for his birth certificate. He should be using his own personal monies.
Either we care about the law or not. In response, seventeen states are proposing their own local legislation for vetting all candidates for their eligibility. There is more concern here than any one speech belies.
Calling me a “birther” means nothing to me. And if, as you think, O somehow gets a pass from the populace or sympathy on this issue, I suspect neither is true. Polls have shown 50% of the nation is aware of the question.
It’s not particularly a tea party thing. The tea parties are really not regulated and nailed into many specific issues, except, in general, smaller gov’t, less taxation, strong military, more states rights, and anti-leftism.

After reading the Article II section I see the term “Naural Born Citizen” what does it mean Neil?

fingerprints. I hear he does not directly give one of the “Bill-signing “pens ot to the people behind him, whoever they are.
Perhaps someone has a gl;ass he touched.

I’ve commented on this before. It doesn’t matter anymore if Obama is technically qualified for President. At worst he is not a citizen but born of one. This nation is not going to risk a civil uprising by removing him. It is better not to know and still have the rule in place than have HIS presidency be the test case. The reason for the rule to attempt to insure that the President’s heart is filled with the desire to keep HIS country safe. (The founders could not guarantee a way to stop from us voting in a man who hates his own country. Nothing is perfect.) The same “buy in” that a number of other early rules were intended to guarantee. The founders knew if a leader or a voter had no stake in the welfare of the nation, they would vote for their own self-advancement. (Boy, did they nail that on the head! Who said they weren’t geniuses in the study of human nature.)

If someone tried to unseat Obama we’d have a civil war that would make the ’60′s look like a Mickey Mouse club house get together. Imagine thousands of men like the two mooks who stood in front of the Philly voting station, all armed, all upset, and all protected by the Obama DOJ. Obama’s status would be raised to that of MLK. There would be protests, marches, work stoppages, etc. Like we need that.

The better plan is to let him self-destruct and he will. He is a narcissist so his path and his inevitable failure are already laid out. Stay the course. Keep voting out bad guys and putting in good ones. We can limit his damage by limiting his power- another brilliant move by our founding fathers. Let him puff and strut and preen. We’ll get back to fixing the country, as conservatives always end up doing.

Birtherism just makes all conservatives look like conspiracy kooks and takes away from the issues that need to be in the forefront.

With no pun intended, I stand by Joseph Farah.

Clearly, he was born on the planet Perfectly Clear. Let me repeat, he was born on the planet Perfectly Clear…

The concern of wise Conservatives isn’t Obama himself, but rather our sides defense against Big Govt. The Birther Movement, if it had any breadth (or depth), would threaten to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

so he cam hang them around conservative’s necks and marginalize it.

The fact that HE of all people brought this up at the Prayer Breakfast seals it for me,

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in Washington—Fred Thompson

There is NO place for “Obama Birther Movement” in any conservative activism. Farrah has zero credibility and should be completely marginalized. HE is the one who should not be considered a journalist. He is a detriment

As you said, attacking Obama’s radical “policies/actions” and engaging in constructive contribution and enrollment to conservative campaigns will create powerful, positive forward action for the country. This is where I am going to do everything I can to engage.

when I thought maybe we should give them their chance because it would sow some chaos for the statists instead of us for a change, but they blew it with their falsified documents and hysteria.

I have no time to listen to their hysteria anymore. Whatever they could have done won’t be because it is far too late at this juncture, so they may as well shut up about it because it just makes them look crazy. They can believe what they want but it’s a useless endeavor and detrimental to conservative causes.

One often wonders if that’s the whole reason they do it; because it is detrimental. The statists will use any means to achieve an end. The birthers play right into the statists’ end goal.

then perhaps a few of his Czars words will. I think if I’ve seen it right, Obama’s Pay Czar(they call Special Master on Executive Compensation) is now saying that over $500k is too much. He’s not speaking of Banks that got TARP money, he talking about just about anyone making over $500k. I’m thinking of making a diary on this because this really is frighting. If $500k is too much, then I’m sure that later the number will go down.

I don’t if know if Feinburg,Holdren,Sustien scares me the most but at this point it must be Feinburg.

Always has been. We all knew there were issues with the potus prior to the election. Did it receive the media scrutiny it should have? Absolutely not. A double standard for Democrats? Absolutely. However; the birth certificate was never the issue at hand. It has been used brilliantly to mask the real issue.

I have a problem with the certificate and /or records not being released. I wonder what is in them that the American people shouldn’t or can’t see? And why spend so much money on something if it is a stupid trivial issue. Obama donated $15,000 to Haiti after winning a million for his Nobel Prize,so he is frugal with HIS money.

Then there’s the passport used to enter Pakistan in the 80′s,and was he adopted (legally) by his stepfather? Yes, I have questions,do they consume me or my focus? No. If there are some who let these issues take all their focus ,then they have a problem. I don’t like conservatives using the term “birther”,because the left has put labels on people and they become the norm. I know a rapid believer that Obama was born in Kenya,but he’s a good guy,a patriot,and active in local politics. He mostly keeps it to himself but doesn’t deny it.

If…if it is ever discovered that these “believers” were right,what then? This is my only concern.

it’s the fact that Obama spent his formative years in a decidedly anti-American environment. He seems to have NO feelings of pride for this country.

There are people who have come to this country from other lands, who have jumped through all of the hoops to become US citizens, and who are thankful every day to be citizens of this great nation. They LOVE this country with all their heart, and they instill that love in their children.

I would almost rather someone like that become President, rather than the person who currently occupies the Oval Office. The sad thing is that so many of today’s children – a few of whom will one day also sit in that chair – are being taught to think of this country with disdain. Hopefully things will change soon – I don’t think that today’s parents are going to stand for this indoctrination much longer….

However, as a previous poster said, the people who wrote our Constitution were truly brilliant men, and they put a system in place that essentially hamstrings anyone who tries to obtain absolute power.

Farrah advocates a lot more on WorldNet Daily than just the secret birth certificate. But nonetheless, it’s an issue because Obama made it an issue. Heck, practically his entire life before he became a politician is a secret (like his Oxy and Harvard records). But the birth certificate is a matter of law. I’m sorry that you and most (all?) RS contributors don’t like it.

Frankly, I don’t like it when fellow conservatives tell people to shut up anymore than I like it when liberals do.

Aaron’s original post, a valid point of view well worthy of discussion, is being smothered by the bickering.

Just an observation from someone who prefers a back-and-forth discussion without risking a knee to the groin.

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Not really. Rhetorical questions are asked here often. And Redstate has always been a site where things of importance about our elected officials have exposed. Kinda the point of it really.

Farah had a lot more to say than his comments about the birth certificate here:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/id/219195
Why don’t you all watch and listen and come back later for round 2?

It’s time to move from defense (Party of No) to offense (Party of Alternatives). This birth certificate thing doesn’t produce any useful result. Even if it were successful it would involve years of political chaos that would only be harmful to the country. I would much rather develop a constructive energy policy, fruitful market conditions, and such. The country has many decisions to make, and a vision needs to be developed for the future.
The BC issue is our sides version of Bush was selected not elected.

The message I get from Aaron’s blog post isthat even if we knew with 100% certainty that Obama were born outside the United States, this consrtitutional requirement is a mere technicality, so we shouldn’t care. This is a VERY BAD argument, IMHO.

Do we really want politicians to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution are mere “technicalities” that they should be able to ignore whenever they want to? By that logic, Al Gore should have argued in 2000 that he got way more of the popular vote nationwide than George W. Bush, and so the country should ignore the electoral college vote count which is just a technicality.

The REAL REASON why we should not make Obama’s birth certificate a big issue is because we know with virtually 100% certainty that he was actually born in Hawaii as he has claimed. Still, it is somewhat puzzling why he has refused to allow anyone to see a copy of the original long-form certificate from 1961 stating the hospital and doctor.

You are on the front lines doing the work of educating your neighbors and friends. That’s gold.

I wish that Joseph Farah would channel all that energy in two specific directions:

1. Simply call himself an investigative reporter. It seems that his passion is to do what the media won’t do — uncover all the details that Obama’s money (over $1 million) is being spent to cover. Be a muckraker, but don’t call yourself anything else.

2. Work on the legal side that will keep this obfuscation (of a candidate’s resume and personal history) from happening in the future.

The underlying point is true, by and large, the American People have heard the Birth Certificate argument and rejected it. I completely agree. I agree that it is unlikely that Obama was born out of the country. I 100% agree that the energy is better spent elsewhere, BUT I say that to both sides.

The tone here, largely set by the RedState regulars, is unfortunate. “Elvis sighters,” “idiots,” “royal flaming morons,” “kooks,” on the “crazy train,” “detached from reality,” who should only be told “good-bye” or shown the door, are not argument, and even if you think that birthers are detrimental, you only serve to entrench them in their position by the overwrought rhetoric. As has been frequently pointed out on one side, the energy that you spend trashing commenters on here is better spent pointing out the flaws in Obama’s policies.

I am disturbed by it, I have seen the same attitude toward pro-lifers. “It’s not a politically winning issue, so just shut up.” I’ve read enough posts to know that the RedState regulars have better spirits than what they have shown here. It’s never a loss to be the bigger man.

to call people tin-foil hat wearers and hysterical about the birth certificate.

I don’t think I word I have written is hysterical.

And just to be interested that the Const. be served through the evidence of a real birth certificate doesn’t mean someone also does not have time to pursue an entire life of other interests. Is teaching college, coaching chess, mediating in court cases, tutoring in adult illiteracy, and even making phone calls for Scott Brown worthy of the tin-foil hat?

Maybe you are all hysterics on whatever subject you are interested in. It just happens to be more wonderful because YOU are concerned.

I think O should produce a birth certificate that is not a common document anyone living on Hawaii could apply for, that a hospital should know where he was born (2 are vying for the honor), that some dr. should be able to be named as the person who delivered him, that he also release all of his school records (after all we know Ike graduated West Point near the bottom of his class, JFK had 119 IQ,, and Kerry had a 76 cumulative at law school but Bush at a 77 at business school), his full medical records, his complete work history, his voting record while in the IL leg., and where his millions are. They aren’t in a blind trust. They aren’t in Wall Street, according to the WSJ, which also disparages interest in the bc.

Obama couldn’t play on a chess team in an average high school without his complete med. records, birth certificate, and school records.

If you don’t feel those things are important, you can get on with those superior interests and devotions that obviously determine the rate at which the world turns and the sun rises in the east.

JOE BIDEN.

That’s the best outcome you can hope for in this pursuit, and that alone should make you want to cease and desist right now.

This really isn’t that hard.

of the Constitution?

Barry’s father was not a citizen, or even an immigrant.
If Stanley Ann was unmarried, she could pass on NBC status if she had resided in the US for 10 years, 5 of them continuously after the age of 14. As she was 18 when Barry was purportedly born, that is impossible.

He is not Constitutionally qualified, and knew it perfectly well, REGARDLESS of where he was born.

If this is allowed to stand, the Constitution is PROVEN by this precedent to lack authority. It must be rectified.

The Biden-Pelosi succession is not necessarily relevant. If the election is “voided”, that is different from impeachment, etc. The entire event, and its direct consequences, are undone, as though never having happened. (That would not invalidate laws; POTUS’ signature is a formality; the POTUS’ only authority is the veto, and otherwise a Congressionally-approved bill stands after 10 days.) But all appointments would be undone (including Sotomayor?).

Possibly SCOTUS could designate a pro-tem successor until a valid election occurred. Uncharted waters.